Topic: when will it be possible

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  • #8455
    soundquist
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    What would zMatrix look like? I’m imagining a window with about 8 – 16 boxes, and a clear signal path going from the first box to the last. You can load a VST effect in each box. And then drag the boxes around to rearrange the order of the effects.

    That’s a good guess. It will be a user configurable X*Y grid where signal flows from the left edge of the grid to the right. Placing effects on a row creates a serial routing, and placing effects in a column creates a parallel routing. There won’t be any wires to drag. The placement in the grid decides the routing.

    Will this be for effects only? Or let me re-phrase that, will it be audio only, or will it be possible also to send MIDI through the grid. The idea is to chain or stack plugin synths with effects…

    @Zynewave wrote:

    I’m also considering naming it zGrid (pronounced Siegried 😉 )

    Well! Named after someone special? 😉

    /SQ

    #8456
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    Will this be for effects only? Or let me re-phrase that, will it be audio only, or will it be possible also to send MIDI through the grid. The idea is to chain or stack plugin synths with effects…

    The first version may not support it, but it should be possible later on to support routing MIDI through the grid as well. You could then layer synths and play them with a single track/MIDI input.

    #8457
    Conquistador
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    That’s a good guess. It will be a user configurable X*Y grid where signal flows from the left edge of the grid to the right. Placing effects on a row creates a serial routing, and placing effects in a column creates a parallel routing. There won’t be any wires to drag. The placement in the grid decides the routing.

    I think the ZGrid or ZMatrix will offer some very interesting options 8) serial or parallel routing would be great!

    The first version may not support it, but it should be possible later on to support routing MIDI through the grid as well. You could then layer synths and play them with a single track/MIDI input.

    Yes the ZGrid ‘framework’ seems ideal for this. It just gets better :mrgreen:

    #8458
    soundquist
    Participant

    @Conquistador wrote:

    It just gets better :mrgreen:

    Right! 8)

    #8459
    haiku
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    That’s a good guess. It will be a user configurable X*Y grid where signal flows from the left edge of the grid to the right. Placing effects on a row creates a serial routing, and placing effects in a column creates a parallel routing. There won’t be any wires to drag. The placement in the grid decides the routing.

    I’m also considering naming it zGrid (pronounced Siegried 😉 )

    Very cool! This is a great idea, and I do like the name zGrid too 🙂

    Any mock up screens yet we can comment on? This is going to be a very nice improvement and keep things very neat. It will mean most tracks will only need one group track.

    I wonder if it may be a good idea to have a zGrid built into each group track already for ease of use? That would me the group tracks feel more like mixer strips? Just thinking out loud here…

    #8460
    kingtubby
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    The first version may not support it, but it should be possible later on to support routing MIDI through the grid as well. You could then layer synths and play them with a single track/MIDI input.

    Nice innovation Frits 😀 I’m really looking forward to using this feature.

    Mart.

    #8464
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    Any mock up screens yet we can comment on?

    No.

    I wonder if it may be a good idea to have a zGrid built into each group track already for ease of use?

    I’ve thought about building the functionality into Podium, but there are various reasons why it is a good idea to keep it as a plugin. For one, you can use the existing preset library system to store your zGrid routings.

    #8466
    Conquistador
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    I’ve thought about building the functionality into Podium, but there are various reasons why it is a good idea to keep it as a plugin. For one, you can use the existing preset library system to store your zGrid routings.

    Also as Podium does allow for one FX mapping on a track (processing audio events), that mapping can now be the zGrid… 8) keeping the track numbers used within Podium to comparable levels found in other hosts. With the exception of tracks with instrument mappings.

    I also think the group track idea would mean that Podium would still need one extra track (when processing audio events) for the zGrid to work. That will also mean that Podium, would still need twice as many tracks compared to other hosts when using FX to process audio tracks.

    The plugin idea is more flexible as it can be used on a new track or of course, even on a group track if my understanding of Frits comments on the zGrid so far are correct.

    The only remaining track count issue is instrument tracks as unless I have missed a crucial step I cannot insert an FX mapping on the same track where an instrument mapping resides.

    They must be on separate tracks.

    Hopefully the zGrid can in some way or another eliminate that track count issue as well by providing a way to process tracks with instrument mappings on them without the need for a group track.

    Perhaps a zGrid plugin for tracks with no mappings on them and another type specifically for tracks with instrument mappings already on them.

    Or…

    A default mapping of the zGrid plugin similar to Haiku’s idea but placed on any track by default but allowing for an instrument mapping to be added to the same track so that Podiums flow of processing upwards towards the master out is maintained.

    I have no idea what needs to be changed under the hood to make that happen 🙂 😆 just trying to help with some ideas, but on the surface perhaps that might be something to consider to do away with an additional group track to process a track with an instrument mapping already on it. 😉

    #8468
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    The only remaining track count issue is instrument tracks as unless I have missed a crucial step I cannot insert an FX mapping on the same track where an instrument mapping resides.

    It should be possible to route both the effect and the instrument plugins in a zGrid instance, so you can do it on a single track if you want to.

    #8469
    Conquistador
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    The only remaining track count issue is instrument tracks as unless I have missed a crucial step I cannot insert an FX mapping on the same track where an instrument mapping resides.

    It should be possible to route both the effect and the instrument plugins in a zGrid instance, so you can do it on a single track if you want to.

    🙂 Great!

    It really looks like the “Siegried” will really refine FX processing in Podium in a very clever and creative way. 😀

    #8642
    Podianer
    Participant

    Frits,

    Do you already know how zGrid will be implemented into Podium’s mixer? I mean will it be possible e.g. to automate parameters of certain plugins that are loaded into zGrid? And how do you handle plugins with several outputs if there is “only” a grid with rows and coloumns? Just curious and eagerly awaiting zGrid 😉

    #8644
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    I’ll try to keep zGrid as simple as possible, which means plugin support will be limited to insert plugins and not global (multiple output) plugins. Automating plugin parameters is not something I have thought through yet. You’ll have to be patient with this. I have work planned for at least a couple of months before I will consider starting on zGrid.

    #8647
    Podianer
    Participant

    Ok, I thought it might be planned for the near future. But that won’t be a problem, because the new group panel makes handling nested tracks a lot easier! 🙂

    #8723
    Conquistador
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    You’ll have to be patient with this. I have work planned for at least a couple of months before I will consider starting on zGrid.

    Please take your time and don’t rush anything. 😉 Will it be possible to save FX chains in the zGrid? That is saving FX chains that can be used in any other project?

    If this is something you have not previously considered, do you think it might be possible?

    #8724
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    Will it be possible to save FX chains in the zGrid?

    Since it is a VST plugin, you can export the zGrid preset a a .fxp file and import into other projects.

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