chaseJust a quick note here for those that might read this thread.
Fritz has posted an April Podium Competiion
get in on it = there’s only a few days left!
The April Competion Link is !!HERE!!
@ Fritz – I wish you would have sent a email notice about the competion
– i just found out about it myself yesterday.
I’m posting about it on as many boards as i can to let others know about it with a link back.
Hope that is okay with you, as i don’t have time to wait for your reply.
– only a few days left don’t yah know… ;0)
it it’s not okay – well i guess you’ll just have to shoot me.
but not till after the competion – okay?
I’m curious and want to hear the right answer and see who wins!
chaseCool Competion Fritz
and a real tuff one to answer for sure.
Like one of those How many M&M’s are in the jar kinda contests.
Hmmm, can i look at the jar ..?
and how big is the jar h/w/d – in millimeters?
hmmmm..?
A stab in the dark here
I’ll say it was downloaded around
303,049 times over 4 months…
chase@ Infinitor
Hey good to hear about your new remix you’ve got going on.
Well – i will have to agree with you on some points you made aobut fourms. Actually quite a few – I pulled off the net for a while a while back – quit all my memberships as i found they are usually extremely conservative and run by forum comando’s running anyone off with a different point fo view.
But in looking around in this forum (though i haven’t read every post of course) I found it’s pretty well relaxed and one can say what they will with out too much retort. They may not agree with what you have to say but – nobodies deleting posts for cussing or saying what is on your mind.
No real flaming going on – you have to admit. Heck of alot better than some I’ve been on in the past. I’m sure you too.
Okay so you and druid agree to disagree… strongly in some areas – thats okay – so you two leave it at that.
I didn’t agree with everything either one of you said
– and i’m sure both of you and others here didn’t agree with everything i said.
Responding to my jokes – well – I’m no comedian though i try to make light of some things – hopefully the only response is a laugh or two. Maybe even a smile… ;0) I’m never lookingn for a fight or to have pissing contest about things.
I have to work on my joke / satire delivery… granted
– they seem funnier when played back in my head more so than the typed version i guess.
I do most things myself as I’m not online – don’t have an internet connection – so i have to quickly get what i need in the hour or so i have online – when i can get online. So most i know or do is out of nessesity – alot of experimentation – tryial and error and strong will to keep trying when i fail.
One can ask but questions but… I don’t know sometimes that works – sometimes it doesn’t work…
An after thougt – would be neat to have an audio forum – meaning we all could talk or post audio files as response –
hmmm? Perhaps then my jokes /satire might get a bigger laugh with the better delivery method of audio…
hey don’t for get to post some of that remixing your working on if have a mind too – I don’t post my stuff – but if you do – post a snipit or too – lets hear what you are doing – it it’s okay of course… could be top secret for now.! ;0)
chase@ Infinitoar
Okay – now i see what you were talking about and whom too…
Didn’t know you and druid had some sort of history in the forums.
@ druidSorry I didn’t see your post – I can only presune the auto notifier for the thread didn’t work at the time you posted or something.
In General to both I understand both points you two are making.
So were does that leave me or a person like me…? in a word.
– Wanting.
Personally – and this is just my general view point – taking what both of you have pointed out.
But first let me say this – I’m tired of waiting – waiting for software companies to create and use tech that has been already out
– and out for years.
Or to think in common sense terms as users.
They all seem to just er-invent the same wheel
– just in a different laungauge.
Digital as a whole – especially the audio industry is so far behind the times it’s pathetic.
And as said – I’m tired of waiting for the software firms to marry the solutions into their apps.
I could have written the solution myself by now. And probably should have. I didn’t becuase – and both of you have heard this before.
Oh well we’re going to add that in the future. Or it’ll have that capability soon.
Now for me to start from scatch puts me behind the time – i need the solution now – not ten or twenty years from now.
For instance – Frits said – it’s taken him twenty years to write Podium / to get it to this point. So for me to get an app from scratch up to this point as his – if i start today – is going to take me what – twenty years and then i can add what i wanted 6years ago? So 26years from now i can finally get the app that can do waht i wanted 6years ago.
But the tech to do what i wanted was out – 15years ago.
Just nobody put the two together… and still no one has… so i wait… and wait and ask and wait and ask and wait…
and grow old…. hmmm is that arthritis in my left hand now… maybe it is as it hurts when i grab my cane…
are my thoughts as i’m still waiting for the solution…
See my point…?
Podium was written with great care by a musician
– which most apps written with a marrage between an actuall user or someone in that feild and a Developer are generally suppior – generally.
For instance – Photoshop – developed by a couple of photographers to organize their digital images is one of the best graphics apps out there. Not that others aren’t just as good now. But, with end user insight as to how it ‘s going to be used by someone in that paticular industry they are generally better solutions.
I deal with 2D 3D Animation Video Audio – I see a need for a lot. The tech as been there – the big creatoin and media houses have proven it can be done… time and time again.
But on the consumer side and even with the big apps for comercial use – no one marries into their app the solutions.
For instance – the new race between Score Editors and Mastering solutions.
– Why has it taken till now for them to finally figure out – marry the two?
We’re not talking rocket science that the two go hand in hand?
I have to still wait for the solution as they are just now figuring out that?
One has to ask – what the heck took so long – we’ve been saying this as musicans for freaking years now! And just now they think of it? And just now they start to marry the two?
Or why do i still have to wait for someone to marry a Mastering solution to a 3D app – like Blender or 3DSMax or Maya or all them?
Why? Podium has unlimited midi peramitors- right Frits?
So marry it to a 3d Solution -their audio mastering side sucks.
Same with Video editing – marry the Mastering to them too.
Why are we still waiting for these solutions?
Audio has Rewire – use it to marry it to the Graphics / Video / 3D editiong apps.
Chop Chop Software firms i say – lets go already! What is taking so long?
My teeth will starting to fall out and I won’t look that good on stage by the time it done it looks like…
So for me to ask – How much for the source code – that is why I’m asking.
I’ll just write the solution into the app my dang self.
Tailor the apps to my needs – and many others needs.
But if i have to start from scratch – that as said – will take forever.
BTW – Frits – do you have a SDK for Podium so if i come up with a solution like a Rewire into the Graphics / 3D Apps i can use it with your app as well as others?
Or better yet – with 20 years deving – How would marry the two – knowing you can’t have the source code to the app?
What would you do? Write the solution yourself – so where would you start to write a rewire into say Blender or After Effects with Podium that would also work with other mastering solutions and video/3d apps?
Sorry for being so long winded in this post
– some say i type to much. others not enough. lol
chase@ Infinitoar
lol – you seriously need to get happy.
Reread the posts – if you do it with an open mind or different frame of mind – you just might read the humour in contained and though it may have been poor executed or written – it just may make you or at least some smile maybe even laugh.
Though i may be serious in some of my suggestions – it’s all stated with humour and with a lightness to be found humourous maybe even satirical.
For some reason you found it contained a reason for you to be defensive.
Do you seriously think you ruined “my deal”
– interupted the flow
– hexed my mojo
that’s all said in a humourous manor…
Someone take Infinitoar to a Comedy Club –
you got to laugh more – maybe you forgot how.
We’re all – everyone here – including Frits I’m sure
about the music.
– Here let me pour you a beer.
Now get ready for the comedy club you’re going to bring your girl to tonight…
Well – She thinks you’re taking her to one
Okay – I texted her and told her you were.
and if you don’t take her
– I will.
chase@ Infinitoar –
I understand where you’re coming from but, hey your messing my deal here up Infinitoar with all that negative talk…
If Podium was mine – I’d worked on it for 20years solo… with all the software preditors out there. (Trust me i know what its like having worked on some advanced stuff before and wanting to keep it mine for a while – which lasted what 24hrs?… friticken – frackin sobs*%!!@)
In reality – it”s Frits’s – to do what he will with it -i don’t condem him for not wanting to release the source code – I can wish other wise – but one can’t condem him for it…
In Reality anyone that really wants it – or wnat something like it can do what Frits did when he started it – make one them self…
Working on it with Frits – the guy has 20year expereince – what a wing to get under… he’ll find someone if he wants when he’s ready.
We may not like it – I personally think it can climb to new hights faster with the right help.
And you do take a chance letting someone help – in the end it is his right to make his desision about his software.
I’m not talking or ralliing for a corprate take over here… just tossing up some idea’s for Frits to mull over.
How s that Grand Master Frits…
pretty good response wouldn’t you say?
though it does muck up the flow i had going… oh well…
I have a industry standard to change…
♫ Here i come to change the way! ♪
(Sung using the Mighty Mouse tune)
chaseOh and here – I just uploaded that Surround VST thcilnnahoj
And Frits if you have a moment – would you mind taking a look at it as well – see what yoiu think – if it’s worth using with Podium.
It for monitoring use only – whcih is not good for export but…
take a look see what you think.
I don’t have the full yet – my bad – though i aim too. so It maybe acting a tad funny due to the fact surround is not activated in mine yet.
The instructions are in the zip folder for it… and this is the one they said was for Cubase and Nuendo.
The first time i tried loading it with Podium – every thing seemed fine – save the project reloaded it and i get a noise from it. Like i said this being the free version of Podium may be the issue with it – so i need someone to check it out with the full version – using surround. 5.1 and 7.1
Though i am thinking of going another route – actually trying to change the industry standard – 5/7.1 surround is really obsolete now that digital is the means of reproduction in the home.
Changing industry standards is a fair reachable goal i think… someone changed it last time
– this time – why not me…
I can’t think of a good reason other than I don’t have the influence Sony did
– though i could get to konw someone that does have that influence…
So Frits – you’re an influential person
– You and the wife free for dinner?
Consider it my first Lobbiest dinner one could say to influence and change the industry – Oh Mighty Grand Master…. ;0)
(You’re starting to like the sound of that Grand Master title – I can tell)
hey you may laugh – but its a start.
here’s that Surround Bass Montor VST – LINK
chaseSo letting you refer to me as Grasshopper and me refering to you as Dj Master Frits thing ain’t working for you huh…
Man i thought for sure that was a deal clinter…
Hmmm would Grand Master Frits work?
Seriously though – you would entertain the right person taking a stab at working on this with you – wouldn’t you?
Maybe even just sections of it?
Personally i think that would be a great oportunity for someone – and perhaps litten the load on you – a win win situation for both.
chase@Zynewave wrote:
@chase wrote:
Well – i see Frits did an update… totally cool…
But… didn’t say how much for the source code…. hmmmm?
Sorry, I thought you were joking. Are you an experienced software developer? Are you rich?
Let me know how much you think 20 years of work is worth. 😉
Frits
lol – Yupe I was serious
and nope – already stated I wasn’t rich…
Experienced programmer well now to get right down to it one could consider experience as a relative term – like in the theory of relativity that is…
Plus i am willing to let you refer to me as Grasshopper if that helps in your decision – heck i could even call you DJ Master Fritz if you like?
What is 20 years worth… hmmm, in human years dog years or hamster years… ;0)
Specifics Frits – gotta be specific when we’re talking worth now. lol
Hey I was just figuring that since you started this as a Colege project –
and there are those of us willing to try
and I imaging that if you were handed Podium as it is now as a base to start with – imagine then how far it would be now
– even in hamster years.
Let be practical here – you went to college to build a better base for us now right?
Like we will do for the next group of people – and if we all leave a base to start with – in 20 hamster years – the next group can make it even better.
Surpassing even our wildest dreams and asperations.
that is the whole point of alll this right – other wise – what the heck are we doing here but sucking up the air.
chaseWell – i see Frits did an update… totally cool…
But… didn’t say how much for the source code…. hmmmm?
Anyhow – thcilnnahoj
Found a Suround plugin you may like – I’ll upload it next time I’m online.
Frits – how does Podium Process sound – Like Cubase or Nuendo or more like Premier?
I ask because the above mentioned plugin comes in two versions –
One for Cubase and Nuendo and one for Premier.
So whcih would we use for Poduim? – The one meant for Cubase/Nuendo was my guess…?
chaseHey thcilnnahog
Hope all is well with you and yours…
Well, the use of this ‘dummy head’ is to create a spatial image of the room and the musicians in it for the listener. So the head (and ears) is the listener’s – thus the singer wouldn’t be the one wearing the microphones usually
Well my weird thoughts – since i use to do roadie work were allong the lines of doing a mic set up with a buch of these dummy heads and having the singer sing into them – can you imagine Christine Agulara or some one else famous not knowing – walking up on stage durring a concert seeing these in place of the usual mics and stage crew says – whats the problem – go ahead – sing.
Well it was funner going threw my head as a thought
– doesn’t print up as good.
But then it gave me another thought of doing some 3d with these things as mic stand “heads” and were it goes from there i don’t know… just weird artist visions I get at times I guess.
No, unfortunately, besides the ones by AcousMod (which you already tried) – they’re made with SynthEdit, so I guess the performance and stability is not up to par.
Possible – though i heard SythEdit updated to a new version Syth 2 and i heard some good reviews on it – but I don’t know for sure.
This is just an innocent guess, but I assume a simple multi-channel leveler plug-in would be easy to write for someone experienced (it wouldn’t even need a GUI). My knowledge of programming and DSP is very limited, otherwise I’d give it a try myself. C/C++ still seems totally alien to me compared to other languages…
I was thinking the same thing – I might just make one myself – but this morning actually in thinking this same thought – I opened up Podium and yah know Fritz did such a good job on the lay out and all…
And i thought – gosh if it were a vst – that would put it after the meters and such – not pre – and were i’d want it is pre – or incorporated into the mixer track slot itself – like it should be.
Then i thought – why don’t i see if Fritz will sell me Podium – I mean really sell me Podium – lock stock and barrel.
He stated he’s been busy on other things for months –
Doesn’t make money with it
Doesn’t have time for it anymore…
I guess he is busy with a new job – a couple hot mommas keeping him up all hours of the night and of course and who could blame him – the hobby app gets set aside… gathers dust…
Like a model airplane that one starts but thing happen – the wife the kids – the girlfriend the dog – the cat – maybe a fish tank too… take presidence over finishing or putting those new engines or adding a new part to the model plane.
No matter how much you want to work on it – it always gets a – I’ll do it next week when i have more time – the intent the best but the time and what ever else – just takes too much attention – so it never gets done.
So… what do you say Fritz – How much for Podium – you can keep the name – I’ll of course maintain your credit as the original developer.
And – I’ll take on the hobby call it something else
– a half built model plane so to speak… and see what i can do how far i can take it…
I know i added some humour in their but seriously
– I know it’s your baby – you started it did a great job but by your own words and though your intent is best you just don’t have time to give it that it deserves anymore.
– your time for other things is more important and need your attention now.
I completley understand – it’s not a bad thing but,
I’d really like to take on Podium – see what i can do with it
So be nice – How much for the source code and rights to it?
I’m not a company – not rich
just a person with an interest and willingness to try.
And hope i would do you and Podium proud and take it to new heights.
Don’t you want that for your baby…
Then set it free… to grow and flurish.
At a small price of course – but
its a real offer… think about it… ;0) 😀
chasethcilnnahoj said:
…recording with microphones inside a plastic head’s ears).
lol… for some reason – i just can’t see many singers using that mic set up.
but can you imagine the look on there faces if you did set up a mike system like that – then again – might make for a good prop as aopposed tot he standard mic and stand. (Sorry had to share that thought as i still have weird visions about this running through my head with some of the major acts of today…)
I thought for sure there were other 3D stereo vst out there – i remember seeing something some where.
I take a look around again – it’s called 3D something something so i know i did.
Sad to hear about the priority of that leveler vst… my fingers are still crossed though.
I’ll look into that plugin you mention H3D is the name – (I’m on the page in another tab)
Wow they did do that – it’s called Dummy Head Recording (link is to the wiki page on it)
I’ll get back to you on that plug in i ran into – haven’t found it while sitting here but will look further.
thcilnnahoj – Do you know of a good Leveler /Panner for 7.1 surround – a vst that will work with Podium?
thanx
chaseHey Thanx LiquidProj3ct
– No worries about the response time as I wasn’t back online till today myself.
Looking forward to seeing your new tutorial – and would love to hear about this new vst your working on when you have time.
Zynewave has mentioned he is going to be working on a new vst as well for Surround sound – a leveler / panner i believe. Which for me – once i pick up the full version will be a huge welcome.
I tried some of AcousticMod vst for surround and – a couple crashed Podium when attempting to remove them from the track… so as mentioned I’m looking forward to seeing what Zynewave comes up with in this area.
Since you deal with Stereo – as far as VST’s go – what do you recomend for Stereo 3D? (That is light on the cpu consumption yet gives professional sound quality and abilities that is.)
Heading over to check out what you have up for tuts now as well. Have to down load them and check them out off line but will for sure.
and thanx again LiquidProj3ct for the replies.
chaseHey LiquidProj3ct – that was quick.
If you want control Podium interface with MIDI messages, you cannot in the most of cases. You could control the mixer if your midi controller support mackie emulation. ATM only play and stop button are mapped.
You can, however, control plugins if they’ve MIDI learn.
hmmm, I see…
This is one of the keyboards I have – E-MU X- Board 25
and what I am refering to creating a map for, for use with Podium…
The pitch bend links straight up – I was wanting to link up the 16 controlers – which with vsts as you mentioned i can do.
But from what you are saying i can’t link one or map one of the 16 to say on of the pans or volume on a track in the mixer in Podium currently…
Am I understanding what you’re this correctly?
Thanx for your link btw – I’ll check out your tuts.
No surround card – use yoru onboard – your onboard has 5.1 or 7.1 doesn’t it – onboard the MB i mean… be a pain to take out your Stereo Card but – you could experiment with surround if you have it onboard.
and make a tut on it… ;0)
Just a thought mind you.
and again – thanks for the quick reply
chase@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
What do you want to mean with that? Can you detail me an example about what you want to achieve? I ask this because the term “midi map” sounds a little confusing for me
To link a Keyboard controler – software usaually lists what keyboards they support. The support is via a midi map
– if the app doesn’t have one – until they do usually you can make one yourself for what ever midi keyboard you have.
if you know how that is for that app.. that is the kicker.
So, I know how to make one for Reason don’t know how to make one for Podium… do you? and would you mind sharing the knowledge if you do?
BTW – LiquidProj3ct – I was just reading another thread you started requesting requests for tuts on Podium. Still taking requests?
I haven’t seen your video tuts sorry – my online time is somewhat limited so i down them and watch any i find offline.
But – do you happen to have a tut on Surround sound mixing and 3D sound for stereo and Surround Sound?
Panning techiques for both etc etc.
I read what you stated about GSnap for live – thanks for the tip.
I take you would know.
I always have a ton of questions and my brain is like a sponge wanting more knowledge in all areas. Including Podium as its lookingmore and more like I’m going to get the full version – very soon i hope.
Please add your video tut home page link so i can check them out next time i’m up online if you don’t mind
– if you reply of course. ;0)
chase
Edit: I just checked the Reason Manual and will post a link to it – it has instructions for how to do this and you may understand what i mean better.
They also call it a remote midi map
aaah here’s the link to a zip of their manual – Reason v5 Operations Manual
Go to the last pages – Creating your own remote midi map I think it is called. (memory faded fast on the heading title lolI’ve got twenty things going on right this second)
let me know if you then know what i mean and how to do it for Podium.