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August 20, 2009 at 09:13 in reply to: Loading Projects from templates #16199

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Maybe I have missed some of the points here (sorry) but I like the current set up for Projects and I think it works well…

But I would not mind the simplification you suggested Frits, however I am not sure I would want a filename change to also change the name of my Project/s though. Should be the the other way around.

I also still think having an arrangement (save as) option would help. Podium needs that IMO. Perhaps a topic for another thread.

August 19, 2009 at 18:35 in reply to: Podiums Hierarchy (please vote)… #16179

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@Zynewave wrote:

@Conquistador wrote:

Also I just cannot add any FX to that Master track.

Assuming you want your “ANALYSIS” track (Ozone) in the master chain:

Yes. That would be my preference thanks…

Delete the empty “Track 1”. Open the properties for the “Playback 1+2” track and clear the “use as group track” option. That should move all the normal tracks into the center section and keep only the return group docked to the right.

Cheers Frits. Thanks again, I’ll try those steps.

Side note…
In hindsight regarding the Master chain questions I had, it might have been better for me to start a new thread in the Support forum (to help keep threads tidy and easier to access).

Future forum thread topics and support topics can crossover of course, but anyway sorry about that if this particular future forum thread was probably not the right place to discuss this! #-o

August 18, 2009 at 11:35 in reply to: Podiums Hierarchy (please vote)… #16164

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Maybe the first image I posted about the Master Chain was not the best example…this one might lllustrate it better…

Here is a screen shot of the mystery placement of Track 1. Why is it there?

It is just below the Master Track but not part of the rest of my project on the right where all the other tracks are. Why is that?

Also I just cannot add any FX to that Master track.

August 18, 2009 at 11:18 in reply to: Podiums Hierarchy (please vote)… #16163

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@Zynewave wrote:

@Conquistador wrote:

A question for you Frits…

The master chain is just the effect chain that is present on the master track. You have that docked on the right edge of the mixer. If you want to show the mixer strip for the zPEQ effect you added, just disable the “hide mixer strip” option in the zPEQ track menu.

Yeah Frits I hear you. I use that same command when needed during mixing but I think my problem may be elsewhere.

It might be easier to send you the project in question.

1. On the default set up you can add an FX to a Master track but on one of my projects I cannot do that. I checked the properties for the track and it seemed to match the default set ups settings.

Here are the Mixer settings.
Mixer chain setting (Dock at left side)
Bus Returns (Dock at right side)

2. I also have one track (labelled Track one) that is separated by a divider in the mixer. It does not show up in the Mixer chain or with the rest of my tracks??? It shows up in the middle of the mixer on its own why is that???

I am guessing the Returns in the project are confusing me here.

Anyway..the project is being sent over I hope that is ok. Thanks. 🙂

August 17, 2009 at 13:42 in reply to: Podiums Hierarchy (please vote)… #16156

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Thanks for your views Malcolm and everyone else (for or against) so far. 🙂 Its been quite interesting seeing the numbers and the votes so far.

A question for you Frits…

I loaded up the default set up and wondered how to get tracks to show up in the mixer docked to the right (as the Master chain). I searched the Wiki and the the forum and did not really get any straight answers for this sorry I am quite confused at this point.

I don’t really understand this aspect of Podium but would like to know what exactly this does. I usually just disable the viewing of it in the mixer but I am curious about it now. 🙂

The screenshot shows the space for the Master chain.

I would have thought adding an effect track to the master track would cause it to show in the mixer but it just shows up in the Master strip (ZPEQ).

How do I get the “Master Chain” to show up in the mixer and or what exactly is it? Master FX chain? 🙁 Thanks in advance.

August 16, 2009 at 15:34 in reply to: Podiums Hierarchy (please vote)… #16145

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@soundquist wrote:

On the subject of the hierarchic UI, I think your voting alternatives are perhaps not formulated in an optimal way. Who wouldn’t want the UI revised and simplified, as in alternative 1?

Even though (at the time of this post) they are less than those who voted for changes there are at least 6 forum members that voted against changes. They chose this option…

“No. I think its very easy to use. No need to make any changes.”

See for yourself in the current poll results. So yes not everyone wants this change or refinement. But thats ok. I would have been surprised if everyone picked the same answer. 🙂

The poll answers were put together with thought given to as many options as I could think of but no more than 6. Any more than that and it would start to look like a longer Q and A Survey. I did not want that. 🙂

I wanted to keep the options short but as varied as possible. Its a just a quick poll looking for views from potential and existing users. It would never have been optimal as such, as probably whatever choice of poll answers I chose would never please everyone (which is normal as we are all different). While there are always different ways of approaching a poll even if its not perfect or optimal its still ok though as is IMO. 🙂

But that should in my opinion be done exactly as the developer himself says in your quote, which I’ll repeat:

“I think the main problem as expressed in this topic, is that of the visual presentation in the mixer. The hierarchic engine is a very flexible construction. I frequently see user requests in the Tracktion, eXT and Reaper forums, where users are requesting possibilities of organizing tracks into folders, folders in folders, folder freeze, etc. All this is possible in Podium. It is a matter of tuning the Podium UI so that it allows simpler manipulation of the track organization.”

He is certainly already thinking about refinements which is very good to read indeed. 8)

August 16, 2009 at 15:16 in reply to: Podiums Hierarchy (please vote)… #16144

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@Zynewave wrote:

I’ll get round to revamping the mixer. Some of the “spreadsheet” like behaviour of the effect headers is a leftover from the old expanded track mode. With that mode gone in 2.20, I can now start cleaning up some stuff.

Good news thanks.

Before the mixer, I will be looking at the tracks region. For 2.21 I’m trying out a new feature that will make navigation easier. I’m not quite ready for a preview topic on that yet.

I think the current focus on UI / Navigation e.t.c is spot on.

After that, I’ll be looking at the track header contents. I’m not entirely happy with the current design. I think it tries to cram too much functionality into the small space of the header. It can be confusing at times with all the controls, menus and different mouse actions. I’m thinking about a solution where the contents in the header is mainly information, and then add a single button on each header. Clicking this button will show a larger popup panel to the right of the track header (semitransparent overlay on the track lanes) with easy controls for managing the effect chain etc. That’s beyond 2.21 though.

Nice idea for a solution. 8) While you did say it was beyond 2.21…I have to say…hopefully it is not too far from 2.21. 😛

August 16, 2009 at 15:05 in reply to: Wave form Peak display… #16142

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2 strikes out on my recent FR’s then 😛

Looked easy from here but hey maybe at some point in future then. Thanks for the comments. 😉

August 16, 2009 at 15:01 in reply to: Waveform changes… #16141

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Funny really. 🙂 It looks so simple from a users perspective but yes if it is not easy or a small thing to do then no worries Frits. Something for the futre it is. Just thought I would post it anyway on the off chance it could be easy to add to PDM.

Thanks for the response though 😉

August 14, 2009 at 13:34 in reply to: Preview 2.20: Various UI improvements #16113

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@Zynewave wrote:

It already has a semi transparent handle on both sides. You’ve mentioned this quite a few times now, but you’ll have to create a mockup image so that I can see what you are suggesting.

Ok…here is the mock up…

These small handles could be visible on both sides of the Navigator. Even when the arrangement is fully zoomed out. That is what I have been trying to say. 🙂

The current handles do not show up when the project is fully zoomed out.

HTH

August 14, 2009 at 12:56 in reply to: Podiums Hierarchy (please vote)… #16112

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He he… 🙂

I think I have another suggestion for an improvement here. Will need to put some screen shots up at some point. :-k

August 14, 2009 at 10:44 in reply to: Preview 2.20: Various UI improvements #16107

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@thcilnnahoj wrote:

Very nice! 🙂

Even though you say shop’s closed, I’ll quickly try and pitch this one again, on the off chance that you missed it:

Add a default track color to the default setup color settings. Grey events/notes on grey background are not the prettiest thing to look at, and totally new users might be turned off. The coloring feature could be nicely displayed if all tracks were colored already, and it would also automatically activate the color picker in the inspector, which you can’t miss then on opening your first project ever.

Very easy to do and would help, in my opinion. Even if you set the same gray as the default color it would at least still show the color picker. Otherwise the track coloring options might be a bit too deeply buried in menus for new users to pick up.

Hmmmm you know what? this is an excellent observation IMO. If you can sneak this into 2.20 Frits it would be great. Its a very good observation and suggestion from thcilnnahoj nice.

@Zynewave wrote:

The problem with setting a specific color for new tracks, is that it can conflict with the users color scheme. The color could accidentally be the same as the color the user has defined for the background or the selection. When a color is not defined for the track, it will use the “default track color” specified in the color scheme, which should ensure that the color matches the color scheme

Good point Frits.

What about at least making this change for the default set up so that new users / demo users who surely would not have set up their track colours e.t.c could get up and running with the colour picker which they might not see as quickly otherwise?

August 14, 2009 at 10:34 in reply to: Preview 2.20: Various UI improvements #16105

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Part 2
3. Space saving: Navigator vs. Horizontal scroll bar
a.The Navigator itself takes up *far* more space than a horizontal slider. 5 or 6 times as much space to provide essentially the same feature (horizontal scrolling).

b. If anything Frits I would suggest reducing the default vertical size of the Navigator. It does not have to be quite so big veritcally by default. You could easily reduce its size a little, add the horizontal slider as a default and still have the exact amount of vertical UI space we have now in 2.20.

c. The slider takes up hardly any space at all while providing a far easier way to horizontally scroll a project and avoid constantly moving your mouse up and down a project *every single time* just to scroll horizontally . The tiny amount of space you lose with the slider is far outweighed by usability gains.

Your losing a good deal of flexibility by removing it just to save so small an amount of space. That space is being put to extremely good use with a horizontal slider. It has worked perfectly well that way for years with Podium.

4. Workflow.
If a user always scrolls his project horizontally from the top of his arrangement then its 100% fine. But I cannot believe everyone here works that way. I am not the only one that requested the return of the horizontal slider on this thread.

Summary
I can’t see why I would use the Navigator when a simple horizontal bar will let any user scroll quickly from the middle or bottom of the screen much more easily. Navigator for a quick zoom to see the whole project or to veritcally move up or down the arrangement yes. Its ideal for that. But not as a full replacement for the slider. Please do reconsider. We are of course not talking about a bug here or something that is stopping anyone from using Podium (far from it). But still.

Its great you asked about UI enhancements but in a strange way in this case one perfectly good UI enhancement seems to be taking the place of another perfectly good feature. :-k The Slider Bar and the Navigator together compliment each other by offering far easier and more flexible way to navigate PDM, they do not even nearly clutter up the UI IMO the sliders vertical UI space really is tiny. See point 3b again to see what I mean.

HTH

August 14, 2009 at 10:27 in reply to: Preview 2.20: Various UI improvements #16104

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I removed the scrollbar to save space. The navigator is essentially a scrollbar, only it shows a miniature of the timeline data in the background. To me it seems pointless to have both a navigator and a scrollbar in the same editor.

Ok… I see your point here. The similarities with a horizontal scroll bar and the opportunity to save space. Nothing wrong with that makes sense. However… 🙂

Part 1
1.Constant mouse scrolling up to the top of the UI for a simple horizontal scroll.
If the mixer or editor is not visible when working in Podium there is plenty of space for at least 5 or 6 tracks to be visible and for one to edit parameters, move objects around e.t.c and see those 5 or 6 tracks zoomed in clearly. But if you then want to simply horizontally scroll the project, if you are working on the bottom three tracks you have to drag your mouse all the way to the Navigator at the top for a simple horizontal scroll. Also you have to carefully get that double arrow to show up first to grab on the Navigator edges. Its simply far easier with a horizontal slider instead.

2.Flexibility and usability gains.
Horizontal scrolling is now effectively locked to the top of the UI to save space currently. A very small amount of space. Compare the vertical space the Navigator takes up with a horizontal slider that will move up or down as the bottom of the arrangement is pulled up or down. Allowing you to scroll horizontally from the middle or bottom of the UI.

So you lose huge amount of flexibility to save a really small amount of space.

August 14, 2009 at 10:02 in reply to: Preview 2.20: Various UI improvements #16102

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@Zynewave wrote:

It already has a semi transparent handle on both sides. You’ve mentioned this quite a few times now, but you’ll have to create a mockup image so that I can see what you are suggesting.

EDIT:
Sorry I should have mentioned if the project is zoomed out you cannot see any handles…I have added a the mock up in a later post on this thread. I somehow thought I was posting a new reply when I was infact editing this post. #-o

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