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Frits: I read somewhere that the next version of Windows (tentatively referred to as Windows 9 according to rumours) may stop accepting apps designed specifically for Windows 8. I don’t know if this would affect you at all, and I don’t know if it involves changes to API or it’s just a way to force developers to code for the newer version, but just FYI.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3693368/windows-blue-update-low-cost

Telenator: I don’t think your methods that you like to do are bad in any way.

I do think it’s extremely short-sighted to use an argument that something has worked fine for centuries, as a reason not to try anything new. I wonder why we needed computers at all? The old 4 track, or tape recording and so on, worked fine. Maybe not for centuries of course … but notation and getting people with instruments to play it worked fine for centuries!

It’s a flawed argument.

I could be mistaken, but I think you’re misinterpreting his plans. He’s waiting for the x86 tablets specifically because he won’t have to program for a new form factor, or even if he does for the new Windows 8 interface, he already said development tools should help translate some of his work. In other words, he doesn’t have to work so hard, like he would if he moved to Linux or Mac OS.

This isn’t justification, or the opposite either. I just think your vehement distaste for tablets and touch make it much harder for you to truly understand what people talk about in regards to this, and your words seem unnecessarily harsh towards something that isn’t really causing you grief. What is, in this case, is the developer’s choice, which you happen to disagree with. And for sure, time spent in one place (touch, tablets) would of course take away from other potential activities. I won’t be denying any of that, I just wanted to respond to your message as it seems heavily biased.

Hey Frits, in case you’re interested, next time you repost this poll, I’ll select Windows 7, but mid-next year (once I return to Australia) I’ll very likely be switching to Windows 8.

I’d do it sooner but I can’t risk things messing up overseas while I only have my laptop and not my home computer setup with assortments of recovery/diagnosis options, and so on.

So yeah, next year my vote will technically be half Win7 and half Win8.

I’ll likely be buying a x86 tablet (convertible type) next year as well.

64-bit Windows emulates all 32-bit software as far as I’m aware. Unless you have a poorly coded custom piece of software from 1998 or something, I’m pretty sure you’ll be fine. 32-bit works on 64-bit just fine. If you’re using 16-bit software (that isn’t software that works with 16-bit audio, but actually coded in 16-bits, in other words very likely nothing you’re using) THEN you will need 32-bit.

I haven’t had a single problem with any software I run in Win 7 64-bit. And almost all software I use is still, of course, stuck back at 32-bit, either because the devs are too lazy to code it for 64-bit, or more likely, there’s no real gain to be had, until systems start dropping 32-bit (that will be some time away).

Win 8 will be operating the same as Win 7 specifically in this regard (all other controversies aside).

You’ll still be able to use your 32-bit audio software just fine on 64-bit. I’ve never heard of a single problem. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist; but I know tons of people who finally jumped ship, as I did, from XP to Win 7, and went to 64-bit … with no problem at all. Vista was the concern, and that’s past history.

Good luck with it!

I didn’t realise people weren’t aware energyXT could be used as a modular routing VST inside of Podium! Oh yes, it certainly can, and it works fine. Well, 1.x. I never went to 2.x due to .. well, history. 2.x has a VST too, as has been pointed out, but it’s a separate download. Sorry! If I’d paid enough attention to exactly what you said, I would’ve realised you said you “installed” it.

I get the feeling it’s being promoted more as a host now, when in my opinion its true strength was its modular approach. So after I jumped ship to Podium, I just kept using 1.x as my modular VST routing engine. I’m trying to phase it out now though, as it won’t ever get updated (because I still use the 1.x, I only ever had trouble with 2.x and will likely never give it another shot, for better or worse).

One suggestion, which is generally considered a bit of a turn off for most people though, I suspect, is to have an addition question, that asks for the sum of two randomly chosen numbers between 0 and 10. This does mean math, though, which as a rule, everyone apparently hates. 😛

I’ve heard there are some bots/whatever out there that actually put real sites in front of users and have them sign up to it, so that in the background it can put its information in but has a real person navigating the parts that are more tricky for bots. I’m not sure how widely used this system is, nor how effective or not it is, but that’s one possibility for what’s happening.

@MelodyMan wrote:

I don’t know where you get your info from but from what i have read on the Cakewalk-site this isn’t true. There is not much difference between Windows 7 and 8 in the end.

I think you’ll find that’s Windows 8, which runs on x86 processors. Windows RT, which runs on ARM processors, will have a lot more limitations on it.

Some I’m sure something can be done about, but I wonder if part of it is the fact that it’s an ARM processor? This is merely thinking out loud; I don’t know enough deep level stuff about CPUs to truly have any insight into that side of things.

Microsoft’s concerns sound pretty valid to me. They’ve no doubt taken notice that Apple, who absolutely refuse to let anyone but themselves have control of everything of theirs, including their tenuous IP (declaring “thermonuclear war” on Android, for instance), still manage to be the highest profit company in the world, I believe. How do Apple do that? How are their products seen in such a positive light? Because they control them and keep the build standards pretty high.

So far, Microsoft has had to rely on hardware providers for the most part doing it for them. And that has seen a lot of cost cutting, including cutting corners, and competition from competitors who have been getting little profit on their sales. IT means build quality suffers.

If Microsoft want to change it, they have to start moving to do it themselves.

On that note, however, your comments about their pads almost sound as if there won’t be any cheaper alternatives. Sure, to run the full x86 Windows, you need hardware to support it, which has more abilities and costs more. If more people buy it, and more competition occurs, it will inevitably reduce in price. I’m sure, however, there will be iPad alternatives out there running Windows RT. I personally am not interested in it as I will have to leave a lot of applications I’m used to behind, and I’m willing to pay a premium for it.

In short, I’m not really sure where your problem with it lies. Microsoft won’t be the only ones releaseing tablets, and their build quality seems exceptional in this case, so it will cost a premium…. So my advice is to buy a different manufacturer’s product? And if you don’t want limitations on normal Windows software, avoid Windows RT .. and be prepared to pay a little more for hardware that has a little more capability, as required by the software that it enables to run?

@Infinitoar wrote:

Did the .MINI file have anything to associate with “all” my song arrangements having the missing .wav “placements”?
-Yes. The .MINI system I’ve been told “before” is a “snapshot” for the .wav files, if deleted the .wav is removed from the arrangement, you keep the .wav on your HDD, but now to Podium it doesn’t know “where” to put that because you just deleted the information that told Podium “where to put it”.[if you don’t believe me, try it.]

I’ve just tried this by deleting .mini files I had for vocals placed in an arrangement. I then loaded Podium, and all the .wav placements I had with all the setup were stored. Then I found the .mini had been recreated. It IS a “snapshot”, but it’s not the kind of snapshot I think that you think it is.

Could you try starting a new empty project, and grab some small .wav from somewhere and put it in the timeline, I believe a .mini will be created. Save the project. Close Podium. Delete the .mini file that was created, then reload the project. Is the .wav still placed? This would help work out if you can replicate the problem in a “fresh” scenario, which naturally won’t help you with your previous issues but might help shed light on the issue.

@Infinitoar wrote:

And besides to due to a past post I did a while ago, I thought you were never going to respond to my post because you find 100% of them to be “volatile and immensely offense”? Guess I was wrong.

You just misunderstood. That particular thread was the one I was referring to, and since then you had calmed down a lot. You can claim that you aren’t externally expressing your frustration to the level you feel inside, but it is apparent in your word choice, your elaborate analogies (EA Games? It’s a completely unnecessary and honestly invalid comment) and the way in which you repeat your views for a second or even third time. I’ve been guilty of the same, and I can understand that you are frustrated, but I personally feel that your post contains enough heat in it, and padded with excess feelings, that it becomes what you are claiming it is not.

I accept that you are having issues. However, you are jumping to conclusions, because you are pointing the blame at specific things (the .mini files for example) without actually understanding how they work or what they are for. All I would like to see you do is calm down a little (I know it’s hard especially when you’ve lost something) and objectively look at things. It is quite possible Podium isn’t for you when you want to seriously work. Finding that out is good, it allows you to look for alternatives! It’s positive! Whether you like it or not, you have made unfair jabs towards the software, and me for that matter. The problem is, I feel that all you will do is defend yourself to the death with no real ability to compromise. That was my issue with you previously, and it appears, still is. Has it occurred to you that this very attitude you are portraying is the same you are fearful of fans of Podium doing to you?

You can’t bundle me in with “fanboyism” or anything like that as I don’t use Podium seriously, which you yourself said (whether you knew or not; assuming, were you?). Podium isn’t perfect, and I never claimed it didn’t have problems. However, you are lumping me in regardless because you cannot take anyone disagreeing with anything you say.

I have nothing further to say on this specific thread unless I can see that you are willing to work with others to try and resolve the issues. I’d love to see you try the .mini files out like I suggested above, and look forward to seeing the results of this. I’d also really appreciate it if you could stop your attacks, subtle or otherwise, as they offend me.

Finally, I apologise for using words such as “explode” and “rant”. While I do view what you are doing as being just that, I was being too frank in my choice of language and could’ve easily skipped those words when originally posting. It would be great if you and I could both skip suchs words and phrases!