KlempererWell there is a workaround (simply tell me if it starts to bore you, but as I come from EnergyXT I thought I’d mention for those who don’t know already 😳 )
You download the demo of EnergyXT (I still use version 1) and inside Podium you just load the vst-version of EnergyXT into a Midi track. Now you have to setup your vst-folders in EnergyXT Demo (no need to buy it for that!) and then
1 just load chordspace. It is automatically connected to the midi of the master in of the main window of XT.
2 you load any synth you like and connect the midi out of the chordspace (= the left of the two squares below the chordspace thingie) with the midi in of your synth.
3 You just connect the audio out of your synth with the master out of XT, and now by pressing those nice hectagons you get nice chords.
Only drawback of this workaround is that you have to setup the 3 steps again as you restart, because XT allows saving of songs, but not re-loading in demo mode.
I don’t own Phrazor, but a workaround would work there too I think??
Chordspace is just nice. And playing it would be even nicer to have this possibility directly in Podium, as I know a few people who like streaming midi of one plug into another, and I think it is quite important.
KlempererThanks Conquistador for the answers!
(And as far as I know EXT2 uses the same timestretch than T3 and Live, at least I was told so, it is a licensed timestretch too, but that’s not really important for this forum 🙂 ).
So like everyone it seems,
zGrid
timestretch
🙂
(…and about the free timestretch – The Paulstretch seems to be just interesting for creating veeeeery loooong timestretching, – I like it well – and might disappoint users who expect something like in Ableton and so on, maybe.)
…and, and Jaegerteam, I thought I had found an italian website that still contained this algorhythm, but well, it just linked of course to the site which is offline.
…well this is just a picture on this italian website.
KlempererWell, for a relative new user the zGrid is indeed sounding like a wonderful myth 🙂 . If it contained something (I read the manual twice up to now and am still working to get my XT-workflow to the Podium-workflow (little example, even if I should know by now I still get stunned after testing new plugins that they are not automatically updated superquickly like in XT but bound to the objects/default templates I chose) like sending one VSTi to another VSTi, and not only FX, it would be marvellous for me (I think it does, as the chainer-possibilities are mentioned in quite a few threads).
so
1 zGrid as far as I understand and what is said about it here would be LOVELY!
2 whatever the in-the-know-users want:-)). I still think hosts that implemented timestretching did it by buying this stuff that made it into Ableton live, EnergyXT and many more hosts? If that would be true I asked myself why don’t they try to do it for themselves, is it VERY difficult?
So well, I have no clue here. A hard to do version that would take much time for Frits and would even fall short compared to other hosts would maybe not persuade enough users of the future. But then a good timestretching would be nice and would attract people (even if I get the impression that sometimes at KVR people really think a host should have it, and around 50% never seem to use it). I like timestretching much for experiments, and for now use, for loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong stretching a freeware called “paulstretch” (makes strange noises, and sometimes choir-like pads who last 1 hour out of a 3′ piece 😀 ). It’s not vst, you just render your settings and put them into Podium as wavs.
So basically I’m all ears what the powerusers here say, and if zGrid is what I think it is – would be certainly my favourite then 😀
KlempererJust to add to this CPU thread here are some tests that I did with different hosts on my machine (AMD AthlonXP3000+, so quite old, 1,5GB Ram, Asio 128/44100, no Antivirus or Zone alarm running as my music machine isn’t connected to the internet). Well specs are not important here because I was just after the behaviour with many audio files.
I tested with 12 wav files I had downloaded from KVR, a band wanted people to make something with their wav-files 🙂
Playing those 12 wavs without additional FX gave me in
– Reaper 2-14% CPU usage in my windows task manager (system ressurces)
– Podium 1-15%
– *** (my older host) 10-28% 🙁 .
This isn’t the best science you ever read, but it’s nice to know that Podium behaves just as well as Reaper does, and Reaper-fans quite rightly state that this is a good selling-argument pro Reaper. Pro Podium too here :D. I won’t name the last one as the developer is in some troubles right now after being hyped for years very much, and people who use it will know already that using audio-files without any FX seems to be a problem for that host.
So that’s really nice to know!
Klemperer…just if anyone was still interested, now it seems chordspace is available again at the http://www.chordspace.com website.
Klempereredit:)
Klemperer@Zynewave wrote:
- Added “select all tempo events”, “new tempo event at cursor” and “adjust tempo to cursor” to the tempo lane context menu. The adjust tempo command makes it easy to map bar/beat lines to an audio recording.
THAT was fast 🙂 . I spoke with a mathematician and coder about guitarzan’s and my wish and he said “my god that would really be a more tough problem to solve”, but we got a solution that works around the difficulties just 2-3 days after asking! Thank you…
KlempererThanks Frits, I just found this after the site being down and the weekend. This is customerfriendliness at its very best, a not easy to implement feature, but we get something that works even though 😀
I didn’t learn all shortcuts yet, but maybe there is one or maybe for some other buttons you can’t see too well on your laptopscreen, guitarzan.
Klemperer@Conquistador wrote:
@Klemperer wrote:
But this is so obviously changing after a few seconds and does no harm, so any demo-user won’t bother with this.
I think it will not of course bother everyone. But I do think there are some people like me and many others who have posted CPU issues on this forum that will be concerned. Having said that I was referring to playback issues, not the initial start up CPU burst.
So perhaps we are talking about the same thing but in a different scenario. 😉
You’re right. I think we didn’t even talked about the same thing, so I could have made that more clear. I just talked with 3-4 other possible Podium-users of the future while reading here who were concerned about this while comparing Podium with some alternatives. So your post was right for long-time users, and mine was right as a little clarification for newer users with no experience at all with the program 😉 . Things solved now, so all’s great 😀
KlempererKlempererI had tested the CM 3 – version and couldn’t resist buying (and got some brainwashing from friend that now in turn I’d like to “brainwash” for Podium…) the Nebula 2 as it is just 20Euro. I didn’t use the reverbs much up to now but am, even at the start (it is a HUGE library!) really glad I bought it. Some are just subtle additions so that I asked myself if I did anything at all, some are not subtle.
At the KVR thread the guys themselves adviced to do rendering and bouncing often, even for machines with much better specs than my poor 4 year old PC.
The “3” version is 80$ I think (or Euro, forgot) and gets further updates whereas 2 as a cheap version won’t get updated (but I think the library will be available in the future too.
Thanks for the hints, Conquistador! I knew some of the stuff as I read the Nebula-manual, but the special things for Podium are much appreciated here! People who buy Podium should be aware that they get power-users like you, Podianer and acousmod too if they got questions, always a great thing.
KlempererOnly thing I noticed as a start-now-Podium user now is that compared to EnergyXT or Tracktion the *loading* of a VSTi gives a short turn into the red and a high spike, and again only in Podium itself. But this is so obviously changing after a few seconds and does no harm, so any demo-user won’t bother with this.
Klemperer…I just want to add that guitarzan’s testing was the reason I posted here too, he is by far the better guitar-player (and I will often ask him for help about guitar-things in the future methinks) – so he describes the topic far better 🙂
Klemperer@sam c wrote:
i see what you mean. funny, we all write and come with ideas in different ways. well, as long as we keep playing and recording, that is what is so cool about all of this for me!
i saw you on the reaper forum, are you using reaper too? with Frits new update i will soon be exclusively Podium. i guess i will always watch reaper though. that justin is unbelievable!
Yes, I bought a Reaper license too.
I come from EnergyXT, and all 3 developers seem to be unique and really outstanding, but I needed a new approach, and Podium is just great even for me in the first week.
I hope to run Podium alone and EXT inside it as VST, and will use Reaper too.
All 3 are this great…and as I said I wished I could just use all of those together, like if Reaper or Podium were VST too 🙂 . Of course all developers want to make their own host as good as they dream of, but it would for example release them too in some ways.
for example timestretching:
Jorgen Aase has licensed this timestretch-algorithm from the company Live has it too (correct me if I’m wrong), and thus all who bought EXT for 39 Euro in the past (more expensive now) could simply load EXT2 into Podium, and timestretch your audio if you like, there. I read building an own timestretch-algorithm must be a hell of a work? Then not all Podium users bought a EXT license 2004-now…
Klemperer@Zynewave wrote:
- Using the keyboard to navigate tracks in the mixer will auto-scroll so that the focus track is always in view.
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- Multiple MIDI and sound files can be dropped onto tracks in a single drag operation. Each file will be placed on a separate track.
- The Shift+Q/W shortcuts to move the play cursor now uses the editor quantize value instead of always stepping a full bar.
- Changed the default Podium setup so that the embedded list panel is wider and shows the file list instead of the object list.
Nice additions! Now as my birthday is soon, won’t anybody buy me a BCF2000 😀 . I like the ability to drop multiple files into Podium! Will try this evening, thanks for the update!