Zynewaveis it possible to create template tracks right withing the template arrangement?
Yes. Does your manually created template track appear in the menu?
You should just create a template track with the stickie note “Template” (no trailing linefeeds), to make it appear in the track context menus. And then create the real template track(s) as child tracks.
ZynewaveWoohoo, found the bug. The MPL-1 provokes the crash because it adds latency, which could result in negative offsets into some offline buffers (which is a bad thing :wink:). Fix coming up in 1.71.
Zynewavewhy is there an extra parent track created when copying to a template Track?
The extra parent track is the track that is shown in the template menus, and it’s just a placeholder for the actual template tracks. Thus you can name a new template track “Compressor -3dB” (if you e.g. have the track gain set to -3dB) but still have the inserted new tracks retain their original track names. It also allows you to arrange a set of tracks directly under the template track, which means you can use template tracks to insert a set of tracks on the same group level, and not just group tracks.
you also implement a way to delete one entire group by pressing ALT + delete?
You can press G (to collapse group) and then delete. I need to think about whether Alt should be used for these types of alternative group commands. If it should be used for deletion, then there is a whole range of commands that really ought to follow those guidelines, and I’m not sure that is possible.
ZynewaveZynewave@darcyb62 wrote:
Another small request with track/group placements.
Currently if I want to move a group in the hierarchy, I have to collapse the group then move it.
It would be good if I could I could do an
click (or some other click combination) on the parent and have it pre-select all tracks in the group to be moved.
Done.
ZynewaveI’m focusing on finishing the feature I’m working on currently. I’ll look at it afterwards.
ZynewaveAll doable, but it will take some time. Will need to wait until after the audio features have been improved.
ZynewaveThis actually requires a little more work than what you may think. The current implementation supports disk folders. To show the “My computer” etc. I need to use a different part of the Windows API. So I’ll put it on the list for now.
Zynewave@Podianer wrote:
I prefer Frits’ version. That is not because I don’t like the other one, but I can give two reasons:
1st: it is easier to implement.
That is correct. I chose this design because it was easy to comprehend (or maybe not? 😉 ) as well as relatively easy to implement. It’s a natural extension of the existing track and arrangement object structure.
ZynewaveEven your idea for simplicty fails here when trying to sort through very large numbers of Track templates. Remember we still have no track numbers.
If you have a large number of track templates you should organize them in folder tracks. Navigating the track templates will then be as simple as navigating a file folder tree list. These folders will then be shown as submenus in the track context menu. I can’t see how track numbers would be a benefit here. Every time you insert a template track in the middle, all subsequent tracks would change number.
I don’t think editing the track templates is something you would do frequently. The purpose of the templates is to have ready-made tracks available when you build your arrangements. It’s only when you’re adding templates that you would need to enter the arrangement editor for the “track templates” arrangement to sort out their place in the track context menu.
Your suggestions about embedded template editors and options and buttons to invoke this in the arrangement editor is something I will not do. If you really want to view your song arrangement and the template arrangement simultaneously, you open another browser window and edit the template arrangement in this.
It’s probably best if you wait and see how the track templates will work in 1.70.
ZynewavePlease send your project file in an email. And if possible, create two arrangements, one with the layout that works, and another with the group level changes that makes it crash.
Zynewave@darcyb62 wrote:
One of us isn’t getting something…
Here’s my interpretation….
And that interpretation is bang on. 😉
Zynewave@Conquistador wrote:
Ok I can simplify the point further…
I think you’re talking about something like the Rack feature of Ableton Live, where you can group together effects and save them as a rack file (or so I gather from the info on the Ableton website). I have a simpler goal with track templates. Consider the “track templates” arrangement as a clipboard. To edit it, you just go back to the start page, into the template arrangement, drag stuff around, and then back to your song arrangement. Not much more difficult than if I were to introduce a new track template file panel in the track inspector. Furthermore, track templates will also copy any sounds and sequences on the tracks, so you really need to use the arrangement editor to organize the track templates. A file browser list is not enough.
ZynewaveMore complicated to implement or use?
Both, I think. I didn’t fully understand what you wanted to achieve with having separate files, but it sounded complicated. My main purpose with track templates is ease of use, at the expense of some flexibility. Otherwise it would be just as easy to cut/copy/paste tracks from one arrangement to another.
ZynewavePerhaps in the future ?
Perhaps. I’m sure you agree that there are hundreds of more important things to do first.