.@Zynewave wrote:
Unfortunately this behaviour is not very “touch screen” friendly. I’m not saying I’m going to change the entire Podium UI to focus on touch screen support, but I do think that touch screen operation will become more prominent in the future. So I keep that in mind when I design UI behaviour. Pressing on a touch screen will perform a click, and so you don’t have the usual mouse cursor you can move over controls to reveal more options.
Interesting! I don’t know anything about the subject – I imagined they’d have a way to recognize fingers hovering above, like graphics tablets do… just without a pen. So, would the “finger size” setting you mentioned resize buttons, mostly, or make the whole mixer absolutely huge? I can’t imagine it to be much fun to hunt buttons as tiny as they are now (and I have small hands).
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
– Please, allow copy/move fx between mixer strips
Agreed! Making copies would be nice – with the ctrl key maybe, just like you do with arrangement items.
– I think it’s strange that effect chains are drawn in two different places depending on whether there’s a send track at the top of the chain. In my opinion it would be better if they were always placed in the same spot, and effect tracks would start to appear from bottom to top instead, like on track 1, no matter if there are send tracks already. When there are no effects, the + button would be placed just where the first effect track appears.
It would also fit the hierachy better if the chain was built bottom-up as opposed to the new effects being stacked on top pushing the others down. This also ensures that the group level of effect tracks is easily visible across all mixer strips.
– The last thing that’s kind of missing now would be drag-rearranging of tracks in the mixer. It looks like moving tracks, especially to and from groups would be much simpler with the layout of the mixer. It is a little confusing sometimes in the tracklist, but I think the new way you proposed to display the group level there would help with that, too.
@thcilnnahoj wrote:
@Zynewave wrote:
Unfortunately this behaviour is not very “touch screen” friendly. I’m not saying I’m going to change the entire Podium UI to focus on touch screen support, but I do think that touch screen operation will become more prominent in the future. So I keep that in mind when I design UI behaviour. Pressing on a touch screen will perform a click, and so you don’t have the usual mouse cursor you can move over controls to reveal more options.
Interesting! I don’t know anything about the subject – I imagined they’d have a way to recognize fingers hovering above, like graphics tablets do… just without a pen. So, would the “finger size” setting you mentioned resize buttons, mostly, or make the whole mixer absolutely huge? I can’t imagine it to be much fun to hunt buttons as tiny as they are now (and I have small hands).
The “finger size” setting would only resize the clickable controls. It will not scale the whole UI.
– I think it’s strange that effect chains are drawn in two different places depending on whether there’s a send track at the top of the chain. In my opinion it would be better if they were always placed in the same spot, and effect tracks would start to appear from bottom to top instead, like on track 1, no matter if there are send tracks already. When there are no effects, the + button would be placed just where the first effect track appears.
It would also fit the hierachy better if the chain was built bottom-up as opposed to the new effects being stacked on top pushing the others down. This also ensures that the group level of effect tracks is easily visible across all mixer strips.
I thought it important that sends are aligned, so that you can easily glance along horizontally to see how how much each track is sending to for example “Send 1”. Since sends are mostly placed as the last element in a chain, this requires that the chains are aligned to the top. I’m wondering if it would be a good idea to split the chain up, so that sends are aligned to the top, and effects to the bottom. :-k
This split would of couse not be done on chains where you place sends between effects.
– The last thing that’s kind of missing now would be drag-rearranging of tracks in the mixer. It looks like moving tracks, especially to and from groups would be much simpler with the layout of the mixer. It is a little confusing sometimes in the tracklist, but I think the new way you proposed to display the group level there would help with that, too.
Coming in a future update.
If you allow me, this is my idea of “sends” 🙂
Where you can send the signal to the send track in any point of chain
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
If you allow me, this is my idea of “sends” 🙂
Where you can send the signal to the send track in any point of chain
Good effort. But if clicking anywhere on the button will start a send adjust drag operation, do you suggest that it should not be possible to drag sends up/down in the chain or to other tracks?
You’re right… did I tell you about the knob version where if you left click on knob you change its value and if you left click in the rest of the button you start a drag’n’drop operation? 😀
I think this is important, that’s the reason that i’m mastering MS paint 😀
@Zynewave wrote:
Adjusted the shadow effect on the slider grooves.
Looking much better! Thank you very much.
I thought it important that sends are aligned, so that you can easily glance along horizontally to see how how much each track is sending to for example “Send 1”. Since sends are mostly placed as the last element in a chain, this requires that the chains are aligned to the top. I’m wondering if it would be a good idea to split the chain up, so that sends are aligned to the top, and effects to the bottom. :-k
This split would of couse not be done on chains where you place sends between effects.
That’s actually all I meant to say – the suggested idea has normal effects building up like a tower at the bottom (maybe with a tiny gap between them and the source selector), and sends can stay fixed up top (if they indeed are the last links in the chain).
I don’t think this would mess up the hiararchical view of the signal flow. Even now, send tracks with Podium’s bus mappings are distinctly separate from, e.g. side-chain sends, at least while you have the + effect buttons visible.
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
I think this is important, that’s the reason that i’m mastering MS paint 😀
Nice mockup – mastering indeed!
I hope this (MS Paint) is just a joke, though. 😉 If not, you should try the GIMP (http://www.gimp.org / http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net) sometime!
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
If you allow me, this is my idea of “sends” 🙂
Where you can send the signal to the send track in any point of chain
I like this one 🙂
Maybe dragging up and down moves the plugin in the hierarchy, left and right adjusts send levels?
For mockups: if gimp’s crazy window count gives you the shivers, have a look at paint.net 🙂
@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
You’re right… did I tell you about the knob version where if you left click on knob you change its value and if you left click in the rest of the button you start a drag’n’drop operation? 😀
I think this is important, that’s the reason that i’m mastering MS paint 😀
Why do you think it is important; Is it only because you want to minimize the vertical space used by the current slider?
Whatever solution we can agree on, it will have to wait to a later release. I’ve stopped adding features to 2.23, and is now concentrating on bug-fixing.
The suggestions about having two different drag actions depending on whether you drag horizontally or vertically, will not be reliable unless you have a very steady hand.
