Topic: Preview 2.23: Redesigned group panel

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  • #16888
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @H-man wrote:

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @H-man wrote:

    As mentioned I’d like the state of the inspector and browser to be stored/recalled across tabs as well.

    Please clarify.

    A feature request really. At present the Inspector/Browser is independent of the Editor Profiles. I just though that if one was working on the Editor page with the Browser open, switching to the Mixer might have it hidden and on the Tracks page (profile) it could be shown but the inspector (for presets) rather than the browser.

    Ok, understood. That’s a FR for a later release.

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @H-man wrote:

    Clicking on a track in the rack doesn’t highlight the corresponding track in the mixer or track headers (ie. Group track).

    If the track is shown in the rack, then it is already the focus track, and so should already be highlighted in the tracks and mixer regions?

    I guess all I was saying was that clicking on a track in the rack, group, parameter or otherwise doesn’t update the focus on the Mixer or Track Header. If that’s the desired behavior then …okay.

    I’m still not sure what you mean. Are you referring to effect tracks? They were previously highlighted individually on the track headers/strips, but this was something I never liked. With the new chain panels, all key shortcuts will influence the source track, and so the selection of an effect track is now only relevant for the inspector list panels.

    One final thing, is intended that “Insert new effect track” is now gone from the Track Menu?

    Yes. I’m trying to trim down the track header/strip menu to a minimum. I’m thinking that if you want to insert effects, you would want to do that using the new chain panel, where you visually can verify the result of the insert command. If it was available in the track menu, you could keep inserting effects without any visual indication of the action.

    #16889
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    Another 2.23 bug:
    – In the arrangement view, select the very last track and scroll down until it is only partially visible (best to resize it vertically first). This results in the selection frame and the track background disappearing.

    I can’t replicate this with beta15, so hopefully I fixed this in my code cleanup. Let me know if the bug is still there.

    #16890
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @Mike G wrote:

    When selecting a track in arrangement it slides the track into view in the mixer, which is great.
    However when selecting a track in the mixer it doesn’t slide the track into view in the arrangement… please can it, (Is there some config I need to set, I thought it used to do this… but I could be mistaken)

    Good suggestion. Not going to make it into this release though.

    #16891
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @Mike G wrote:

    On the mixer, i’d like to be able to drag effects from a child channel onto a parent chanel and visa-versa.
    You can drag vst instruments between channels, which in my mind while useful seems less useful that being able to move effects around.

    Dragging effects between tracks is coming in a later release. However, if you use the rack panel in the inspector, you can drag effects between child/group tracks.

    #16892
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    @Zynewave wrote:

    Btw. I’ve modified the default track coloring slightly in the new beta14, and specified a new default track color. Let me know if the new default colors present problems.

    I only did a quick test – is it correct that default track color is not applied to colorless tracks anymore when you save a project? That’s the reason I never used it in the first place, as it quickly became a mess, but it looks like it has been fixed already somewhere along the way…?

    Correct. I changed this very early in the 2.23 development.

    From what I can tell, these are the problems I’ve found that made it as far as beta 14:
    – Slider value pop-ups become stuck when changing profiles or closing the inspector with shortcut keys.
    – The bypass buttons on the selectors do not update to a newly selected mute color until the UI is refreshed.
    – If you open the mixer and then select a track in the arrangement view, the mixer strip uses the active selection font color instead of the inactive one.
    – Sometimes, the group expand/collapse button will ignore the track color and be colored with the panel background color instead.
    – When you’re dragging a device to a track, the selector button’s pop-up help gets a little in the way as it blocks the view of the chain.
    – When you drag-and-drop an instrument to a track in a particular way, the “drop here” box overlay on the track becomes stuck. You can even ride it up and down using the scroll-wheel. Yee-ha! 😆
    Here’s a GIF animation:

    Thanks for the summary. Beta15 fixed these issues, except:

    – If you open the mixer and then select a track in the arrangement view, the mixer strip uses the active selection font color instead of the inactive one.
    – When you’re dragging a device to a track, the selector button’s pop-up help gets a little in the way as it blocks the view of the chain.

    These are now fixed.

    #16893
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @LiquidProj3ct wrote:

    When I open a new project and new arragement I must follow these steps for a weird bug:





    This bug-report has finally reached the top of my todo pile. Can you please confirm that you still get the bug with the latest beta, and if so, please email me the project file.

    #16895
    pavouk100
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    Well, this is because I so far haven’t done enough testing 😳

    No need to be embarassed, this is beta, so it has to have bugs and not enough testing, otherwise it would not be beta 😉

    @Zynewave wrote:

    As I see it, there are two ways I can fix this issue:

    1/ Enable playback of a record enabled track, if there is no input assigned or if the input is bypassed.

    2/ Add a new “Automation Record” track option. This will be placed below the “Record” option in the track menu. I would like to avoid having to add another button for this, so perhaps Ctrl+R key shortcut or Ctrl+clicking the R button could toggle this track option. This solution adds the complexity of having another track option with a somewhat hidden access, but on the other hand it will allow automation recording without having to bypass or remove any audio inputs assigned on the track.

    Which solution do people prefer?

    Both solutions would work for me, but I guess number 1) is a bit easier.

    On a 2nd thought – would it be useful (or even possible) to have both? 😯 I.e. recording when input is muted or unassigned does not record audio and plays existing lane, and the same can be accomplished by Ctrl+clicking on record-arm track button. But it is probably needlessly complicated, solution 1) would work fine for me.

    thanks,

    Pavel

    #16898
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    The track is silent, because Podium currently mutes record enabled tracks.

    As I see it, there are two ways I can fix this issue:

    1/ Enable playback of a record enabled track, if there is no input assigned or if the input is bypassed.

    2/ Add a new “Automation Record” track option. This will be placed below the “Record” option in the track menu. I would like to avoid having to add another button for this, so perhaps Ctrl+R key shortcut or Ctrl+clicking the R button could toggle this track option. This solution adds the complexity of having another track option with a somewhat hidden access, but on the other hand it will allow automation recording without having to bypass or remove any audio inputs assigned on the track.

    Which solution do people prefer?

    Number 1 sounds far easier to manage, in my opinion.

    #16899
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    Another 2.23 bug:
    – In the arrangement view, select the very last track and scroll down until it is only partially visible (best to resize it vertically first). This results in the selection frame and the track background disappearing.

    I can’t replicate this with beta15, so hopefully I fixed this in my code cleanup. Let me know if the bug is still there.

    Still in there, I’m afraid (beta 15 default setup):

    I forgot to mention you have to scroll with the mouse-wheel, which lets you scroll downwards infinitely (which is strange in itself, but I’ll save the discussion for another day. :lol:)

    Also forgot to include this one in the summarized buglist:
    – Something goes wrong when you create a second master group – input/source selectors appear on the master tracks.
    You could assign these things before, even, but I don’t think that’s the point of multiple master groups, is it?

    Most of the icons in Podium have issues with dark backgrounds, and so the new mixer options buttons also don’t agree with my dark selection colors.
    An exception are the nicely done track select buttons in the rack. I hope that some day, the rest of the icons will be able to follow suit. O:)

    #16900
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    Still in there, I’m afraid (beta 15 default setup):

    I forgot to mention you have to scroll with the mouse-wheel, which lets you scroll downwards infinitely (which is strange in itself, but I’ll save the discussion for another day. :lol:)

    Ok, thanks. I didn’t realize the track should be scrolled to the top.

    A new beta is coming later today. Late last night I found another bug in the mixer: The pan control gets stuck when you have moved it once #-o

    #16905
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    Also forgot to include this one in the summarized buglist:
    – Something goes wrong when you create a second master group – input/source selectors appear on the master tracks.
    You could assign these things before, even, but I don’t think that’s the point of multiple master groups, is it?

    When you add multiple master tracks, Podium skips the search for a master section, and the master tracks becomes like group tracks. That’s the technical explanation. I may in the future change this, so that each topmost output track is treated like a master track.

    Beta16 is up. This is hopefully the last beta. I’ll spend the rest of the evening testing it, and if nothing comes up, I’ll make a release later tonight.

    Record-enabled audio tracks are now playing, if there is no audio input assigned on the track. That allows for automation recording of effects on the audio track.

    #16908
    MelodyMan
    Participant

    I may be wrong but i can’t record automation of the level, send and pan parameters of the track itself in beta 15. Automation of plugin-parameters works fine. Haven ‘t tried beta 16 yet.

    EDIT: Disregard. I found out that only the sliders in the mixer can be automated. No biggie, works fine for me.

    #16909
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    Haven’t experienced any problems with beta 16 so far.

    Just a tiny nitpick: The left side of the selection frame is overlapped by the line separating the “group level strips.” This can, with some color combinations, lead to an optical illusion that it is only 1 pixel wide on this side instead of two.

    And an addendum to the follow focus improvement FR: Right now, follow focus works only once. Maybe clicking an already selected track could reset the selection, so the follow focus function would do its work again, without the user having to scroll over manually or having to reset the selection by switching tracks. It’d be quicker to just reselect a track to get it in view again after scrolling away from it (or if the selected track left the screen after expanding groups).

    About the automation recording issue: It really only works now if there’s no input assigned. Why did you decide against it working with bypassed inputs, like you suggested at first?

    #16914
    Zynewave
    Keymaster

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    Just a tiny nitpick: The left side of the selection frame is overlapped by the line separating the “group level strips.” This can, with some color combinations, lead to an optical illusion that it is only 1 pixel wide on this side instead of two.

    That’s not a line, that’s a drop shadow from the elevated vertical group bar 😛

    About the automation recording issue: It really only works now if there’s no input assigned. Why did you decide against it working with bypassed inputs, like you suggested at first?

    I was unsure of the consequences, and so close to a release, I settled for the unassigned input. I may extend this to include bypassed inputs in a future release.

    #16920
    thcilnnahoj
    Participant

    @Zynewave wrote:

    @thcilnnahoj wrote:

    Just a tiny nitpick: The left side of the selection frame is overlapped by the line separating the “group level strips.” This can, with some color combinations, lead to an optical illusion that it is only 1 pixel wide on this side instead of two.

    That’s not a line, that’s a drop shadow from the elevated vertical group bar 😛

    Good Heavens! I will tell my secretary to set up a formal letter of apology immediately. In the meantime, I hope the dear li-*ahem* shadow didn’t feel too offended. 😆

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