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Yes, that’s where I found out about it. But this is even more crazy – have you checked the link in my 2nd post? Directly to the download page, everything’s there together with serials and even no registration required ❓ ❗

You don’t need to apologize. I just wanted to end the whole thing (you and me arguing about what?). It somehow went too far.

Cheers, Alex

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adimatis,

Regarding your first remark …. well, even if it feels somewhat stupid to respond to something like that I’m still going to do that: It was a rhetorical question.

Now i don’t really understand what you were worried about. Was you worried about me thinking that I was stupid enough to think that people who could read couldn’t write? Or, maybe you thought that I’d somehow offended somebody? Let me tell you something. That can be only your problem, because there’s a lot of people in this World who can’t write and they are not worse than the others who can. BTW, do you think that people who can’t write or read sheet music are worse musicians than the others who can? If you do, you’re terribly wrong.

On the other hand you’ve proved you don’t read posts to the end. At least you didn’t read this OP, since you listed, don’t know how many features, when you were kindly asked to select only three from the list 😈

Now, about your beloved Time stretching (and I think this was the real reason you made a post (might be wrong, though)):

I’m obviously not a native English speaker and sometimes it’s hard for me to make my point. This time I used SF, Reason and whatnot (even your statement (not knowing it was yours)) in order to explain some things about time stretching. And, maybe I failed to do that (the right way). Luckily, The Telenator finished my sloppy work and explained everything excellently.

To keep it short – right to your question:

@adimatis wrote:

I mean, is way better to have a simple one that might not work all the time rather than none – right?

No, it’s not. It’s absolutely wrong.

I don’t have anything against time stretching. Do I really need it and would I use it? Honestly, I don’t know. But if you ask me if it should be implemented in Podium the answer is – absolutely yes. And the same goes for many features: Dithering – don’t need, qwerty keyboard as midi controller – I need a real, full range keyboard for my work, Support for more file formats (mp3, flac etc) – don’t need…….. Should they all be implemented? Oh yeah, everybody knows why.

@adimatis wrote:

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You did not think that people might have checked the thread only to see if Frits have something to say or not… Lists with FR were done how many times. Yours is just the latest one, in three-four months someone else will start a new one! Maybe people just said it wnough times and they cannot be bothered to write it again, as the last 18 months of development brought very little if any satisfaction from this point of view.

Now you’re talking. I actually don’t expect those 20-30 forum members to post this time (and at the end most of them will do it and everything is going to be the same one more time), they have already done it several times. I somehow hoped that some new users would post and show there’re some other people who would like to see and use a new, improved version of Podium.

@alex wrote:

@Sobaca and Telenator
First, I want to wish you two and all other Podium users a happy, musical New Year!
Should I make a Poll and ask everybody to vote for only one (or three) most wanted features? Will Frits read that at all? And if he does, will he consider doing something about it?

@Zynewave wrote:

Happy new year!
Go on and make the poll. The poll system only allows one vote per topic though….

You see, this was the real reason for me to make this thread. A lot of users, including myself said so many times Frits didn’t care about FRs. Well, it seems he cares. It also seems that he knew something I didn’t know (payed attention to) until now, and that’s how many people actually have FRs. And of course, he knows how many licenses he sells. O.K. even the hit meter on this and similar threads may be showing that people are interested in Podium. I can only guess. His idea to develop mobile Podium and target kids with phones and tablets could turn out not to be bad, after all (of course he will not be alone on the market and Podium for sure needs some improvements anyway). I already said I didn’t like that idea (and I never will). The funny thing is that now, out of blue I have to make a mobile studio – I bought a lap top, I have two small interfaces I can choose from and headphones and all I need to do is to buy a pair of small reference monitors (and if I already have to take three guitars and two amps on the road, I’ll also take the keyboard).

@Zynewave wrote:

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No matter how good I make Podium, professional studios will never dare taking the risk of using a one-man created DAW as the cornerstone software of their studio.

Well, I must disagree here. I don’t really know what he means when he says “professional studios”, but if that’s the studio with control and live rooms or even an online studio that actually makes money by recording and mixing music I have to tell him that many people that I know have already switched or are planning to switch to REAPER from whatever they’ve used before. So, I don’t see why Podium couldn’t also be an option, after the needed features have been implemented (but I obviously don’t see many things).

@adimatis wrote:

I apreciate the initiative, but keep the expectations real. And do not be surprised to see people just reading. They can write. When they see a reason to do it.

Nobody tells me what to do!!!

You see, your words could also “come out in a wrong way” 😉

All the best to you too!

Sorry about the long post.

Cheers, Alex

@The Telenator wrote:

Ah, Alex — you have discovered my deep dark secret to my threads and posts. You see, I have a trained monkey who has been taught to sign into the Zynewave Forum whenever he passes by a PC (can use a Mac too, and actually prefers them for who knows what reason!). Anyhow, he locates any and every thread where I have posted my recent pearls of wisdom, then clicks into the thread repeatedly to UP the the hit counter, thus making it seem as if I’ve written something extremely wise and important. Neat or What? You know, this is how some popular cult figures got their start.

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

@The Telenator wrote:

You Know, I noticed right after I did my civic duty as requested here the other day that I had chosen the exact same 3 features as you listed. Saw it right away after posting. Making that third and final pick was nearly impossible, if you know what I mean. So many needed features and such our tiny lists!

Yes, we discussed it lately. Solves many problems (time stretching (not real time), sample rate conversion (not on the fly), dithering ….).

At this point I must say something (and please, don’t let this affect anyone’s choice – all of these features are here because many people asked for them):

Time stretching – I think that we actually may be wrong about this one. It takes time and/or money to be implemented (if you want it to be good). And if it’s not good, what’s the point? I’m writing this because someone said:”Any simple algorithm would be fine.” That is simply not true.

Almost the same goes for dithering. I haven’t used dithering in any DAW for years – a good mastering limiter or wave editor is much better choice for that task imo. I’m not saying that native dither in any DAW must be bad or worse than some other, just offering some other and maybe more common solutions.

Have you ever asked yourselves why SF now also have iZotope MBIT+Dither and iZotope 64 bit SRC (and they already had their own, very decent bit depth and sample rate converters)? Why did they add Zplane elastique time stretch pro plugin when they’d already had time stretch?

And if one wants “any” algorithm, there’re free wave editors that can do the trick, and can do it good.

Anyways, the point here is that Frits has never implemented something of low quality in Podium, AFAIK, and now is for sure not the good time to start doing that.

What I think (and I may be wrong) is that some people are after something like, lets say, Propellerhead Reason/Recycle when they’re talking not only about loops, real time time stretching, but also on the fly sample rate conversion and even pattern step sequencer which, btw, can’t find it’s place in Podium imo.

Now, why am I writing this? While I can in this very moment list 20 + features that (I think) I need, I can easily see myself getting the job done with only three features I listed added.

This for sure doesn’t mean that all must have features, including time stretching, dithering …. shouldn’t be implemented at some point. That only means that Podium is very, very close to the point when it can be considered a serious DAW and as good as any other on the market. For those who have been sleeping for the last couple of years – when we’re talking DAWs, everything’s gone as far as it gets – there’s a standard set of features that every DAW must have, and that’s it (and most of those features that Podium misses are listed in OP – the rest what should be done are small fixes and improvements).

@The Telenator wrote:

Say, while I’m here I wanted to mention that we seem to have a legion of silent readers at this forum. I first noticed it perhaps 6 months ago. Nary a trace of them, never a post I’m guessing. They are the Watchers, TheyWhoShallNotPost. They Who Must Only Use the Podium Secretly Late in the Lonely Night. Only record is that they can drive up a hit meter on a new thread into the thousands in no time and with seemingly no effort. Scary!!!

Scary? Might be. Disappointing and unfair, I would say.

1030 views – 6 responses. I really don’t believe this!

@Watchers

I somehow believe there must be many people among you who know something about DAWs. So, please select three features from OP that you miss in Podium most, because you are Podium users which means that you know this software and can say what you miss in it. Even if you don’t plan to ever become a licensed user, someone else can benefit from your suggestions. If you miss only one or two, write that. If you’re a newb and don’t know what certain feature is, ask, and it’ll be explained.

Cheers, Alex

1. MIDI routing

2. Pre-count

3. Access to an external wave editor