@Zynewave wrote:
Any chance you will be able to test Podium on the 64bit Windows version at some point in future?
I don’t have any plans of installing 64bit Windows on my dual-core system yet. If users report problems with Podium running on 64bit XP, I’ll probably have to spend some time with it. As I understand it, you’ll need 64bit driver support for soundcards, before it can be used as a stable DAW.
Since my last post I was thinking the same thing. Using Podium on a 64 bit system could be as easy as installing it and hitting the Podium icon. Podium is very stable, so hopefully that will transfer over the the 64bit OS.
As for the drivers, M – Audio have 64 bit drivers, the M Audio 192 is advertised as having 64 bit drivers already for instance and I am sure many others will have to follow just to keep up. Without a doubt 64 bit audio drivers are definitely required.
FWIW I think your certainly taking Podium in the right direction. 😉
@Zynewave wrote:
I’ve done some initial tests on a 3.0 GHz hyperthreading enabled system. While the extra CPU headroom varies more than on my dual-core system, I’ve still managed to get up to 70% extra CPU utilization with some arrangements. I was expecting something like 10-30%, so I’m amazed at how much you can gain with proper hyperthreading support 😯
Still need to sort out a few issues, but I expect to make a release the coming weekend.
Sounds good. Very good. 🙂
Any chance you will be able to test Podium on the 64bit Windows version at some point in future?
I ask because more and more of these dual core machines will ship with Windows 64 bit edition. I personally think it should work as normal, since initial tests from magazines suggest a high rate of problem free usage with 32bit applications within the 64 bit Windows OS.
Just interested in your thoughts about testing Podium on a Windows 64 bit OS once of course, Podium has mulitcore / dual core support fully implemented.
As you are throwing this one open Frits… 8)
Hi J. Baker, this may be a long shot but have you tried these two possible solutions…
1. A complete shutdown and re boot – sounds obvious I know, but this simple operation has solved many issues I have had with sudden silences from my card. Which is extremely rare.
2. Try going into the Control panel and then clicking on the Sounds Speech and Audio devices link then click on the Sounds and devices link.
Once you have done this click on the Audio tab. In the Sounds playback field is your M Audio Revolution set up as the Default device: ?
Long shots, but just offering assistance. 😉
@Zynewave wrote:
did you actually get Windowsx64 with your PC as well Frits, or was it Windows XP Professional / Home?
I’m using XP Pro (32-bit). x64 was not an option when I ordered mine.
Ok, thanks again. 😉
@Zynewave wrote:
how much ram do you have running on your new dual core Pentium D?
2 GB (4*512 blocks). My previous laptop had 512 MB, which was another reason why I needed a new PC. My recently purchased GPO plugin required at least 1 GB to fit in memory.
Thanks Frits. 😉
Just remembered… did you actually get Windowsx64 with your PC as well Frits, or was it Windows XP Professional / Home?
I think Dell were one of the first to get the 64bit OS it would be nice to know if they are now shipping it with their PC’s.
There are only two options on this page (under Microsoft Operating system) and the x64 version is not listed.
Maybe it works differently for different regions I assume you bought yours in Denmark?
No big deal as such, I just wanted to know if you have the x64 edition running on your Dell machine *pre installed*. 😉
If you do not have the x64 edition you may want to try this link out…it gives you 120 days to play around with the x64 edition. plenty of time to see how Podium will work on the x64 OS. Large download but worth it IMHO.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/trial.mspx
@Zynewave wrote:
I decided it was time to replace my aging development/music PC. I went for a Dell Dimension 9100 with one of the new Pentium D 2.8GHz dual core processors.
I hope you don’t me asking Frits but how much ram do you have running on your new dual core Pentium D?
I would certainly be looking for similar performance from Podium on a new DAW but would be very interested (I am sure others would as well) to know how much ram is needed to get a similar result with a similar 2.8GHZ Pentium D.
I assume you have 1GB , either way, please let us know how much ram you currently use in the new *Podium* Pentium D
Thanks 8)
@Zynewave wrote:
I assume as the limit for memory on 64bit systems is up to a terabyte or something that Podium will also scale up to take advantage of this new memory ceiling?
It should on the new 64-bit Windows. On the current Windows versions the limit is 2 GB RAM. It is possible to support up to 3 GB, but this is not implemented in Podium yet.
How has the Dell Dimension noise levels been for you Frits? Would you describe it as quiet enough for recording vocals in the same room for instance?
It is not as loud as I had feared. What I notice most is actually the harddisk noise when it moves the heads. I would not record with a microphone in the same room. I have purchased a 5m DVI extension cord, and with my wireless keyboard/mouse, I’ll be able to put the Dell in another room.
Thanks Frits. I guess it will then be a specialist PC for me or I may try your solution. 8)
@Zynewave wrote:
Quad as in two dual cores in one PC. Can Podium reach such dizzy heights? If you already have got this far can you or will Podium handle quad processing?
Podium can handle 32 processors, which is the theoretical limit of Windows. The different Windows versions are limited though in the number of processors they support. From what I understand: XP Home supports dual-core, but only one physical processor. XP Pro supports two physical processors, each with dual-core. More than two physical processors is currently only supported by Windows 2003 Server.
32 processors! 😯 I guess that answers my question. 🙂 I assume as the limit for memory on 64bit systems is up to a terabyte or something that Podium will also scale up to take advantage of this new memory ceiling?
Of course as we are now looking at 70% more cpu to play with, even 2 – 4 GB of ram is more than enough now realistically, maybe even less. Although no doubt new instruments and fx will push memory requirements up further. It will be many years of course before a terabyte of ram is needed to run any music package!
Intel is pushing the dual-core hard, with attractive pricing. The 2.8 GHz Pentium D costs less than half the price of a 3.6 GHz P4. One can imagine that Intel anticipates a huge demand for dual-core, once the mainstream software has been updated to take advantage of the dual processing
I will have to have another look at Dell’s site. Thanks for the heads up on the pricing that is very good news indeed. I was waiting for one of the specialist music retailers to provide a Pentium D or an AMD X2 4800+ but nothing yet. I had considered a £2,000+ budget but I may need much less now.
I really want to get as quiet a music PC as possible. Maybe the Dell machine is quiet enough. How has the Dell Dimension noise levels been for you Frits? Would you describe it as quiet enough for recording vocals in the same room for instance?
@Zynewave wrote:
I decided it was time to replace my aging development/music PC. I went for a Dell Dimension 9100 with one of the new Pentium D 2.8GHz dual core processors. Multicore/multiprocessor systems are fast becoming mainstream, so I figured it would be good to have such a system to test with Podium.
Podium seems to run ok on this system. However, after a couple of minutes of watching the two CPU panels in the Windows performance meter, with one CPU running at 95% and the other CPU doing almost nothing, multiprocessing support suddenly was at the top of the priority list 😆
Took me a couple of days to implement, and still need another week of finetuning. The dual processing has given Podium 70% extra CPU headroom (depending on signal routing). A full 100% extra cannot be obtained because there are some overhead in the shared access to memory and other system resources. I tested an arrangement with multiple tracks playing a sound file through an ambience reverb. Single processing could give me 7 tracks before overload. Dual processing could give me 12 tracks. So in effect I have a 4.7 GHz PC. I’m thrilled
Are there any users out there that have a dualcore/multiprocessor system? Anyone thinking of getting one?
Great!
I am in the market for a Dual processor system. Dell do seem to have cheaper prices.I guess I may have to bump up the mulitprocessing Podium thread! 🙂
Every PC will have dual core processors from what I have read. AMD and Intel are committed to this path.So even budget low end base units will indeed have dual core processors over the next 6 – 18 months.
It is indeed the way to go now. I should have a dual processor system very soon.
Your observation about Podium and the *other* CPU being idle is a problem many music packages will face until they upgrade their apps to support dual cores. Good to see you are right on top of things already. 🙂
Here is a question for you though Frits…High end audio workstations currently have two separate processors like a dual Xeon PC for instance or dual opteron. Now that processors are dualcore, quad processing will replace the current dual xeon or dual opteron systems.
Quad as in two dual cores in one PC. Can Podium reach such dizzy heights? If you already have got this far can you or will Podium handle quad processing? 8)
@Zynewave wrote:
@Conquistador wrote:
The CPU indicator background remains red after an overload has occurred. Clicking the indicator will clear the red color.
Frits how about an option for this instead. While the idea of having the CPU meter red until clicked is good, I would certainly prefer at least an option to change this behaviour. Constantly clicking it would become a problem over time.
I really do not get that many CPU spikes anymore frankly, but I would prefer a simple option for the CPU meters behaviour.
What do you think Frits? ❓
I don’t know if you have tried it yet, but the sticky red color is only a slight red coloration of the background. You can still tell when a regular CPU overload occurs. Does anyone else think this should be an option?
Well. It is a slight tint. But unless it requires a problematic rewrite of Podium I still think an option would be better.
It’s fine as it is Frits really. Just giving you some user feedback, thats all. Not a major issue, but more choices means greater flexibility, which caters for more users. Sometimes it’s the little things.
Again not a big deal, but a better way of implementing it would be to make it optional IMHO. 😉
Have a good evening 8)
Wow, we have not had two pages for a release thread since Podium 0.92..while it was still in beta 🙂
The CPU indicator background remains red after an overload has occurred. Clicking the indicator will clear the red color.
Frits how about an option for this instead. While the idea of having the CPU meter red until clicked is good, I would certainly prefer at least an option to change this behaviour. Constantly clicking it would become a problem over time.
I really do not get that many CPU spikes anymore frankly, but I would prefer a simple option for the CPU meters behaviour.
What do you think Frits? ❓
Very nice 🙂
The songs thread may very well be a sticky at some point maybe Frits wants more users to contribute content first. Just guessing. 😉
@acousmod wrote:
Hi,
I’ve just seen this topic today…
I wonder what has been written in this article, but I don’t want to spend money only for this.
Does somebody have a copy of the article ?
Cheers.
Hi Acousmod,
Not sure how this one slipped under your radar… 🙂
I would be happy to show you the article in full but I only have the electronic version and SOS seem a bit strict on the content…
“The contents of this article are subject to worldwide copyright protection and reproduction in whole or part, whether mechanical or electronic, is expressly forbidden without the prior written consent of the Publishers.”
Threre are probably other forum members who may post the full article here anyway…don’t know, but this is pretty much everything anyway…
Your mini reviews are about 5 paragraphs long. You feature in an article called From 32bit to 64bit in the June issue of SOS.. There are a couple of screen grabs as well of your creations.
A link is even included to your webiste in the article. Animasampler 3D, Joysynth, Joysampler, and Joymachine all get a mention.
Your spatial processor spatgrains 8 gets a mention as well. The reviewer went into a bit more detail on your plug ins as well. He clearly spent some time on your stie. 😉 The article was not just a few lines with a link to your site.
No mention of Podium though which suprised me as you do make your appreciation of Podium quite clear on your site. That actually was one of things that got me interested in Podium in the first place.
I thought what is this application that he is constantly comparing to Cubase and Nuendo? I was very curious. Now I know why. 🙂
I would have thought the June issue is probably still worth getting, just as a collectors item. It’s not every day a developer gets a mention in SOS mag especially a review as extremely positive as that one.
Of course SOSMag may very well be quite happy for you to add their comments to your site anyway I would have thought. A simple email to them should find that out. Up to you really, but it was a very positive mini review.
@Podianer wrote:
I am new to this community and really curious about the full version of Podium.. I checked the demo and was drawn to this masterpiece in a second!! Half an our ago I ordered it.
I was looking for a sequenzer, that manages to fill the gap between Cubase and Tracktion. I like both programs but as it comes to work with them on a daily basis there are too many things annoying me… So I hope it’ll be different with Podium 😆
The author gets my respect!! Nicely done!!! Looking forward to the future development of Podium and being a member of this community…
Greets,
Podianer
Hi Podianer,
I don’t mean to spoil your party, but there is a very big downside to Podium that very rarely gets documented or mentioned.
For me this is the *only* area you are guaranteed to have problems in…finding any bugs!!! 🙂
Podium is rock solid! 8) Don’t be fooled buy the support threads. Frits uses many of the issues raised there to actually improve Podium by adding new features or improving existing one’s as early as the very next release! 😯
Extrodinary stuff. 😉
You may also have noticed the general mood of the forum. There are no flame wars here because the is nothing to fight about! Just peaceful co- existence while making music. Great.
Frits is so quick to respond to any issues that they are adressed almost as soon as they are brought up. Blink and you might miss it. 8)
Oh and welcome… 🙂