kyran@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
If you allow me, this is my idea of “sends” 🙂
Where you can send the signal to the send track in any point of chain
I like this one 🙂
Maybe dragging up and down moves the plugin in the hierarchy, left and right adjusts send levels?
For mockups: if gimp’s crazy window count gives you the shivers, have a look at paint.net 🙂
kyran@LiquidProj3ct wrote:
Extra comments 😀
– Could be possible hide Bus Return and Master from track list? (not from mixer!) I think they’re unuseful and a waste of valuable vertical space.
– When tracks are minimized appears the “minimize button” and when they’re maximized appears the “maximized button”?
You might want to automate parameters on the busreturn tracks, so you need to be able to see them. (Live also shows them for this reason)
The master track contains the master bsmr buttons, which are also very useful and among other things provide quick access to rendering the track. Also consider that podium supports surround mixing, so you might have 3 master channels (2 stereo and 1 mono center)
kyran@Zynewave wrote:
The reason I would like to have them hidden, is to provide more space for the effect name. A lot of plugins have long names which will be truncated in the narrow buttons on the mixer strips.
Most hosts have very small fx slots (reaper and logic spring to mind), but you’re right, the more of the name we can read the better :).
I don’t mind the ctrl+click shortcut. I just think that the ‘E’ button functionality can be put into the general fx slot (clicking the fx slot opens the editor) and that would make room for a bypass button. Maybe I’m also missing the point, and I should stop talking until I’ve had time to actually play with it in a beta 😉
kyranI use bypass all the time:
1. To see if the effect is actually improving the sound
2. I’ll have 5 different fx on a track and bypass/enable sets of them to see what actually works well and what does not
3. When I come back to a tune and I don’t remember what each sound actually does.
I sometimes even automate those switches (I haven’t done that in podium yet though) because I’d like some fx only to present in certain parts of a tune.
But my workflow might not be so widespread ofcourse
kyrankyranAs it stands now there is no quick way to bypass an effect using the mixer view (if I’m seeing things correctly).
Why not do it the same as in the group panel: show an x on each of the effects (like you’re doing on the inputs now) and use the rest of the effect slot as a toggle to show the interface?
kyranI like the new circular buttons to expand/collapse tracks.
May I also do a suggestion:
Currently the track name is shown below the track header (that contains the expand/collapse button). However there is a lot of free space next to that button and the track name could easily be shown there. This will save vertical space, without making things look cluttered.
I also think it makes sense to show the name of a track in its header area.
kyranthcilnnahoj’s status should be renamed from licensee to “bug-finder extraordinaire”
kyranImplement the mixer too. It gives a better public image. We can use the beta’s in the mean time.
kyran@Zynewave wrote:
The tracks region options I’m currently working on will enable you to hide some or all of the controls on the track header, if you prefer a clean design.
Sounds perfect to me 🙂
kyranWell you have an easier to manage signal chain and the phase is ok as long as you use the same eq to filter the bands.
But by all means, do whatever works for you 🙂
If I’m working on complex chains, I just bounce and move on. I find it’s pointless to start tweaking in big chains, because there’s not telling what the output is. It keeps me sane.
I have a template arrangement to make big reeces: a sub mid and hi channel where I throw in some samples. When I’m happy with the processing I bounce the result and use that in a tune or as a sample to use in a different reece.
In a tune I’ll have lots of wav edits of those samples, and very limited processing on the channel (some eq and some buscompression, maybe some send to a reverb).
This split between the arrangement and sound design stage is what makes sense for me, it might be different for you.
The reason I’m saying all this is because I can see why your way of working could get awkward. So maybe it’s nice to work differently for a time. There is no “best” way to do this, anything that makes your sound is good.
kyranNo resample before the bandsplitting: have the same wav on 3 channels and then use the same eq/bandsplitter to do the filtering and go from there.
That’s how most of the people I know do it.
kyranDude, that’s what they invented resampling for.
The reason most of these big dnb guys work in audio is because it’s easier on to keep the phase relationships right.
Besides if you resample your drums you can use them as starting points for new drums.
The nice thing is: podium makes this incredibly easy.
Just use the bounce functionality: create a track put some fx on, bounce that down, drag a phantom copy to a new track arrange on there, put some new fx on, bounce down again. Rinse/repeat.
Want to go back to step one, no problem: unbounce the original track, modify some stuff, hit bounce again. The nice thing is that all your copies will be updated automatically.
You can also do this in a seperate arrangement for extra cleanness.
There are numerous bonusses to this: you save cpu speed, you work with audio 50% of the time, so you can get the timing and phase 100% right with little to no effort. You commit to tweaks to make (but don’t lose the ability to go back), and you get free samples to reuse in other tracks.
kyranI like the tradeoff you made on the record buttons: you can hide them if you don’t want them, but the functionality is still there for those who need it.
With the record button hidden the effect bypass button is not really an overload on the gui.
I do think you could incorporate this functionality into rightclicking on something, or by eg making the icon of the track (the circle with fx in) something you can click: it lights up when activated, dims when bypassed and becomes red when the track is armed. (But that’s probably impossible because it’s part of the big selector button).
kyran