InfinitoarHey Druid! 😀
Sadly enough, you are correct. I googled “Why is DDR2 higher in cost than DDR3”, and sure enough, the same reasons came up. I did this a while ago, and kept forgetting to mention that I knew the reason why “now”, that DDR2 is so much higher than DDR3. Which is ok with me, I know supply and demand, and it’s completely understandable.
Just means I would have to save up for a DDR3 motherboard and RAM, is all. Which shouldn’t be so hard because I’ve seen a highly rated DDR3 board go as low as 50 bucks from MSI. And ASRock had a sweet MB for 84$. I’m not sure if it’s still that price but it was a AM3+ motherboard, and it’s just my little preference on CPU’s is AMD because I’m a cheapo. 😉
Thanks for the clearing up, even though I failed to mention I found out why. Heh, my fault.
Infinitoar@michi_mak wrote:
@infinitoar : you do realize that i included 2 suggestions for usefull gadgets, do you?
Yes, but the one for 99$ is useless to me, I mind as well save 150$ more and get something better. And the 40$ one is good, but for those who aren’t trying to make a “home studio”. The PreSonus Studio One bundle kit gives me:
70+$ monitoring headphones
200$ Audio Box
70+$ Condenser Mic[could be even more]
100$ Studio One “Artist Edition”.[with the option to upgrade to “Pro” and Studio One 2]
The cables are included for the unit[Some companies like to “withdraw” included cables so you have to pay more]
So roughly, about, nearly 500$ in cost for these items alone, I could get for 250$, and literally, nearly, complete my home studio. All I would need is 4GB of DDR2 RAM and the M-Audio Card.[And I might not even NEED the M-Audio card! So that saves me 94$!]
Verses buying something that no up-and-coming or professional artist serious about making a home studio and music, would use? Sorry, thanks for the links, but they do not help me. The Bundle has everything I need. Even if I were to buy more physical equipment that bundle would still help me strongly.
@michi_mak wrote:
and i still stand my ground that there is no difference in latency between a mic and a line in on the very same soundcard ( preamping the mic signal is not done by your computers cpu but some electronics onboard of the soundcard
You may take this as a extreme offense, but, I’d rather listen or take advice from someone who has years for experience dealing with PC’s and digital music production. I have my very good friend who is a composer/remixer/and overall artist[3D art and all] literally get [jokingly] jealous of me preparing to buy that bundle. It’s a bundle he said he’s wanted for a while. Good YouTube reviews on the product, The Telenator telling me basically direct “line in” could be the issue[which it was], and THEN 2 employees[who were older looking guys, especially one that admits he’s been working with digital recording for a while?] tell me the same thing? They don’t get compensation at the retailer, so them trying to “bait me” to buy the bundle doesn’t make them get paid any more then what they already make, so I think I trust the same overall message over yours. Which is to me, is, BUY a USB Audio Interface, it’s better, and you get less hell, PLUS since your making your own personal recording studio, then this will help out a TON.
@michi_mak wrote:
in fact it’s this Telenator dude trolling around and accusing wrong people
If you want to read this then be my guess but here’s a little something I’ve come to realize about you: [because I study human behavior and I do find it a bit fascinating, even when I act like an idiot sometimes..]
You come here with a problem. You “voice” your problem and your opinion. But while you do, the “opinion” side you add your own “spice to it”. Your own “attitude”. A very upset, and irritated, angry attitude. If someone “opposes” your opinion, YOUR easily offended, and “lash back” at them. Your complex seems to be that of which to think everyone is “against” you if they don’t agree with you. Have you ever heard of the small saying: “Let’s just all agree to disagree, ok”? With you, you do not want that. You want your opinion AND your negative emotion to be felt so much, even through your typed words, you want them to “submit” to what your strong opinion is. Thus making you seem superior in knowledge or as such a very good “guidance”.[someone to look up to, like a “role-model”] And on top of that if someone does not agree with you, and you lash back, you want the person you lashed at to ALSO be equally or feel less than you. Feel powerless and defeated. However your complex will meet a LOT of people who will fight back, mentally, and sadly enough, “physically”. You need to learn to accept when YOU’RE wrong also.
And just in my own opinion, “after” I’ve done extensive research on my issue and found that commonly what “The Telenator”, and Zynewave has said, other people say also[on forums and everything], even my popular artist friend, is the same, I believe all in all, you are the one who is wrong, and these individuals with the overall same outlook on my issue and result to my problem, are right.
And I’ve read nearly every post of the Telenator since he’s gotten here. And no offense Telenator, Michi has gotten under your skin, but you must be passive with that. But ALSO Michi you need to stop attacking people “initially”. I’ve read 90% of your posts ever since you got here as well, and you attack people a LOT. You attack even Zynewave, which I find VERY RUDE, and VERY DISRESPECTFUL.
Change your ways, or you will lead a life of regret and people will not like your ways and avoid you. I’m done responding to you, unless you change your ways I’m sure I will ignore your posts from now on. Take it as healthy advice or not, but, that is your overall call.
Again, thanks Zynewave, and The Telenator.
InfinitoarOk you know what Michi, that’s enough man. Seriously. I’m sick of you waltzing around here, causing trouble on threads. This is getting to the point where this is getting more immature the more you post, and the more you do it the more you try to bait people in trying to start a internet war with you.
I’ve sat back for a while and said nothing about your behavior because I thought you were mature enough to get over it, move on, and be a better user[as I did], but no, you keep going on, taunting other users and even Zynewave himself, and I’m really sick of this crap. Grow up man, seriously. Stop acting like a “YouTube troll” and stand up for what your parents[or WHOEVER raised you properly] wanted you to be. A positive, man. Not some dude with some damn chip on his shoulder causing trouble everywhere he goes on this forum.
Seriously, you need to stop.
To Zynewave and The Telenator:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! 🙂 I had a nice day[a blast actually, filled with laughter and such] and just so happens I thought: “Eh I know we have a “Guitar Center” retail store here, why not check it out?”
So I did.
They said the SAME thing Telenator said. The guy even did the “shelf hand” thing. He explained it to me like this:
“Ok sir here’s how I will map it out for you, not calling you an idiot, but just so you understand better, because I’ve been working with music and digital music for years, so check this out…”
USB Audio interface= up here sir
Using a “Line In” Direct input=
You’re nearly scraping rock bottom sir with that, so your best bet for ZERO LATENCY and all new ASIO AND better quality and no lag, no issues for your guitar=USB Audio Interface. I mean what your working with is ok “for now”, but I would save for a USB Audio Interface. It’s by far the best in my opinion sir.
So then I told him about Zynewave Podium and my dual core setup, we laughed[not at Zynewave Podium], joked a bit, got serious with our dream setups, and made a final decision, and it was as if Telenator was there telling me in person exactly what he already wrote out to me. So thank you VERY much Zynewave, Telenator, and the 2 guys who devoted their time to talk to me about my issue and helping me decide which is best. Now I know what I must get! Presonus Audio Box! They even had one setup IN the store! It was freaking awesome![gotta love hands on experience!]
And again Michi, whether you take this as an offense or not, you seriously need to stop. I won’t say anything further to you, but you need to act a lot more mature than what you do.
Anyway thanks again guys for the help, I know what I need now.
InfinitoarOk I seem to have to be VERY descriptive with “The Telenator”, so I’ll do this instead:
Asrock A780LM-S motherboard
Realtek HD Audio
Zynewave Podium[Free]
Windows XP 32bit OEM Service Pack 3
2048MB[2GB] of PQI Dual Channel RAM
160 Western Digital Blue Caviar HDD 7,200RPM
Fender Squire BulletStrat with flat tail wammy bar[6 string]
One 6.3 to 3.5 mm jack for the guitar
One 3.5 double male end 6[?]ft cable plugged IN “Line In” on the ASRock Motherboard[the blue jack on that back of any PC] the other end to the guitar
NO: external audio card, internal PCI card, nothing. Just a PC and a guitar with a cable, that’s all. The link was an “idea” to maybe fixing my issue with latency.
BUT: As you all have put it out in end result, I would have to buy this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA05N0845256 AND this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829121120
Which would in turn put me very close to the completion of a “basic” home studio for myself.
The lower I crank down ASIO4ALL the worse the audio gets, breaking up more with each decrease. 2048 samples have been giving me steady clean not popping audio, so that’s why it’s there. Forcing the driver to 16bit led me to believe that it would be lighter on the system.
Oh and as far as the guitar, I know about changing out pickups, and getting heavy strings for a deeper grudgier sound. When I start something I look at all possibilities it could have.
Now I am not UPSET, actually I’m VERY happy at the responses, I believe they will help me a lot. I will play with ASIO4ALL more but I believe the perfect solution may lie in spending a lot of money[600$ to be exact.] to fix it, but my real dilemma is what to get 1st the PCI card, or the PreSonus studio package.[which is a steal, but with a crap DAW, yeah I said it, it’s a bad DAW in my opinion, because I see no real reason including a “artist edition”, that is a tease to me, besides I’m a Podium guy so sue me, I like freeware 😀 ]
Zynewave I don’t know now as I’m typing this, but how do you enable the latency info in the mixer? I will toy around with Podium to check that out, but off the top off my head I don’t know how…
Oh also The Telenator, I respect the time and effort you put into your comments, I really do! 🙂 Also do you believe since I am using a 3.5 “cord”[this can apply to Zynewave or anyone else too..], does that ALSO contribute to “latency” since a 3.5 cable carries less power? Because I recently plugged my guitar to a friend[her fiance’s] amp[Line 6 “Fredrick” I believe it was called?] and he had the “fat cables”[the 6.3mm] and there was no “lag” when I was shredding like a madman on his amp. 😈 Because I’m going to RadioShack tomorrow[which is Sunday from the time I’m writing this] and I’m going to do the opposite, buy a LOOONG 6.3mm double male end and buy a 6.3 to 3.5 converter and see if that helps…[but maybe I should wait and see the responses before I buy those items…]
thanks for the replies all, it does make my crappy day better!
InfinitoarJust saying if your using Podium[Free] version 2.42 is already out. I believe you should download it and then see if the issue hasn’t been solved already.
InfinitoarAll I will say is:
To keep the peace on the internet, one must learn to ignore, have thick skin, or just push on.
If Zynewave finds something extremely negative or hateful towards him or anyone else, I’m sure he has all the rights[and means] to remove or permanently ban the person from this forum. No need for either party to cause trouble for each other or anyone else here. And yes, I’ve done my share, regret it, but in the end I’ve learned to just buckle down, learn, ask questions normally, and if I believe I won’t get a positive response on my issue by posting publicly, send a private message to Frits and see what he has to say in the reply back to me. All in all, keep it clean, and don’t start trouble, I believe that is what Zynewave[Frits] would want here.
So Telenator, and Michi for the sake of yourselves I only “suggest” you both drop your debates and just move on positively in your lives.
InfinitoarThanks Frits, same to you and everyone here at the forum. Have a wonderful and Happy Holidays!
InfinitoarYeah some of my posts were idiotic and misguided. If I spent a bit more time understanding the program instead of hating simple problems that could be solved I would probably be a bit more ahead in my Podium development. (as far as my music) But the past is the past and I’m much more thankful and knowledgeable now.
The laptop is only for on-the-go ideas, when I’m away from my main mixing station(PC). Of course I could still make decent quality music from it, and knowing myself I probably would try. Hehe. But the laptop also is just an overall mobile studio, and moreso an idea of what I want which is a quad core 8GB system nothing too fancy.
I’m a tech “freak” so I know about the PC standards changing. I know laptops may not be the best idea for producing music but hey I know what I’m doing! 😛 I used to game heavily, but I gave that up to follow my dream, and creating music is it. As far as systems, highest I’m going is quad core because doing higher cores is pointless unless your doing some major scoring and need the power. I don’t. However I do need Shreddage until I can purchase a real guitar lol. (which I’m hoping to have soon! Starting from the bottom of music production is hard but with the will to be, I think I can make it) And besides being a tech freak I love music too? Perfect combination.
Thanks for checking out Severed! I used sample guitar libraries from a generous man named “Theodor Krueger”. He even fixed his bass sample library for me so more deeper tunes I should hopefully shell out soon. I use sample libraries, Guitar Rig 4, and a impulse cab with impulse responses to get as close as I could with a realistic guitar sound. But of course a real guitarist hears the difference so I’m not too worried about it. However when I get a real guitar…..heh heh. But for now I’ll stick to my free sound libraries and push those to the limits as much as I can. Severed also was a deep project for me and I re-EQ’ed it so it sounds better so I may have to upload the redone one just to see of everyone still likes it!
And again Tele, welcome. 🙂
InfinitoarAnd this is why I’m afraid to even touch “highly rated” and highly “used” software. I was strongly thinking about getting FL Studio but (not!) sadly enough I’m crackheaded addicted to Zynewave Podium. As soon as I get my laptop (AMD PhenomIIx4 2.2Ghz 4GB RAM/Win 7 64bit plus something for my desktop also, which will also be AMD/ATi, please no CPU GPU war conversation please, it’s just I’m a cheapo and AMD/ATi has never failed me) I’m buying a full license for Podium. By far the best software I’ve used ever. And to those fanboys of Cubase,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Like fanboys for Xbox 360. So sad yet halarious!
Welcome to Podium Tele. Good to have you here. I’m getting some remixers from http://www.fixtremix.com to test or even make a full remix in Podium. And also highly reccommending it for starting musicians and remixers!
InfinitoarThanks for the feedback Slomo! Trust me, as the description on the track said: “Took a lot of guts for me to post that track”. I was very afraid of the snare drum not sounding right, and the guitars not placing a realistic sound or feel to the track. As I stated I used Kontakt[Free], Guitar Rig4[Free], and LePou’s LeCab2[free] for the impulsing for the guitars. I was told by my mentor and friend, it maybe as “close” as I can ever get using freeware to sound like a real guitar. But thanks again for your input and thanks to everyone for theirs as well. It means a lot and all I can do is take your inputs and do better with future tracks I DO have in the works!
InfinitoarKostro, only thing I used compression on was the snare drum track. Everything else was EQ’ed and not compressed at all. And it being too loud is most likely your own sound levels. Make sure your audio isn’t pushed to the max.
Sorry Kim but I don’t own a real guitar. I’m doing this all based on freeware. The thought of someone tracking real guitars crossed my mind, but then it wouldn’t be “me”. I even thought that others would criticize that it’s not a real guitar even though I used Kontakt, a guitar sample library, and impulsing. I tried as much as I could to get to the guitar sound, but I know it doesn’t compare.
Sadly enough I thought about axing the whole “trying to get a realistic guitar sound”, and just converting the project to DnB and Dubstep. Since that seems not to hard to do and there is no “realistic instruments” involved in that overall genre. But my mentor told/taught me I should just push on and be true to myself and what I wanted it to sound like. But still thanks for your feedback on it.
InfinitoarI’ll just say this and not reply any further:
Creating a mobile app would be a new direction for Podium’s development and bringing the application to others eyes. No offense now, but as much as I “try” to get new people who are interested in music to be interested in Podium to start out with, the more they overlook this great program. Maybe this direction for Frits as far as the mobile app is just so others can see Podium generally exists.
As far as features go, I’m not going crazy about features. Although they may be some who desperately need it, I however do not. I have found workarounds and most features I wouldn’t even use on a daily[music creation] basis. The only feature I would like implemented is the “PC Keyboard is a MIDI keyboard”, standard like in every other DAW. However I know there are workarounds for that, but I’d rather in be programmed already it Podium. Besides, that feature also I don’t really desperately need, but it’s something I would like to have.
On another hand I do agree with the development of Podium and more features. The iOS version would be nice for more people to discover the desktop product, but of course the desktop product needs more to keep the reeled ones “in”.
Anyway- overall I like Podium [Free]the way it is now, it’s better than nothing. And far better than LMMS even though it’s labeled a “FL Studio” copy, they still have a lot of work to do on that program, it’s terrible right now, and plus they have a full team behind that DAW, vs Frits who is just one person with a actually more than decent DAW.
And just my opinion, I would take multi-core processing over “time stretching” any day.
InfinitoarI agree with Lion. Have support for both iOS and Andriod if possible! 😀
I own Alchemy Synth mobile for my iPod Touch 4G and I’m just waiting for Podium to be on iOS market.
InfinitoarOh ok then. Well it’s still a really good feature on it’s own so no worries then. 😉
Thanks again for the help and understanding Podium more.
InfinitoarOOOOHHHH! OK! I was so nervous once I saw you replied, I thought I did something wrong! 😀 Hehe
Thanks for the reply and that new technique you described I will try instead! I suppose I thought of the feature a different way but it’s a great feature! But just a question: Have you ever thought that feature should do that? And if so, “would” you implement it?
Because I HIGHLY believe in your skill Frits, but I know your swamped with a lot of things, but also I greatly believe that could be a VERY important and use feature in Podium! I can imagine the workflow!
The reason I also did it that “long way”[as far is re importing the bounce file and such] so I can save the MIDI event file[the box with notes] too! Never know when you may have to revisit that and redo it! 😉 But if doing your technique still keeps the MIDI file, then I will keep doing that instead.
Thanks again Zynewave and I guess you could consider that feature I “thought” Punch In/Out was, a “feature request”. But not anything that needs attention right away. I really believe it would be a great feature for making stems and increasing workflow. 🙂
Thanks again.