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Edit (just had written here, and afterwards a “grounding of my KORE2 hardware ended the “zig zag” I have had for long – other tryings were in vain for months, this must be my lucky day^^)

the new beta and Kore2 as Mackie-universal-controller seems to WORK!!

Just loaded beta3, chose Kore2 (which is nearly discontinued now after NI built all their products around the controller, which is a shame, but there are a load of Kore users around) as control surface.

And it works! Kore users just have to activate Kore2 as midi controller (“Mackie control” mode) – and voilà!
I had not much time to look into it further up to now, but it works just like you’d expect. Wonderful, Frits!!! knob 1 of Kore2 is, if I don’t configure Kore2 hardware else, master vol, 2 is track 2 vol, any parameter I choose works right like expected however you like to configure Kore.

That would be GREAT news for me! I’ll report problems if I find some, and I already wrote a mail to another Podium user who in the past liked to see Kore2 support for Podium. Maybe he’ll test and write here too, at least I told him about the news 🙂

This indeed would be SUPERB, a feature I have waited for since a long time, as the auto-detect did not work for Kore2 hardware.

As the Kore is discontinued you would not want to work hard if any Kore-only-problems were coming – but as I said, there are a lot of Kore2 users, and maybe they should know it is working now…It will be updated for 64bit and a few bugs will be ironed out, after which it will be discontinued because they hype their “Maschine” now.

Thanks a many many times and more, Frits, do you want some german self-made cakes (of only the first quality of course, done by me around midnight many days) in return 😀 😀 (delicious, makes coding a bit more fun, and I already send some to Sverige next week 😆 A short pm and an address, and I’d send them straight from Hamburg, I am really happy, Kore2 works after 2 zigzag years and getting dusty, and Podium supports it now!! )

I am a bit behind the news concerning Podium, and just wanted to ask if flac-support is still planned, or even “already in”? I would profit much from flac and mp3 support. I know, additional hard drives are not too expensive nowadays, but well, throwawayism and “buy and buy and buy again” is not the best argument in our times :), and flac reduces the size of files superb, isn’t it 🙂

@ninjawarrior wrote:

Gol is one man developer too. In 12 years of FL development vs podium 20 years development, FL has like 100 more features. Orion is too one man team, same mulabs. That isn’t real excuse.

This is in main parts wrong. Orion isn’t only developed by one man now, and aside of that there were years without audio in Orion. The toxic synth wasn’t made by Rich, and so on, it was bought from another developer and built upon that, as far as I know.
Then consider the price. I bought Orion, even if it is not expensive now, in version 3 for 299 Euro. (far cheaper it is in parts today due to sales going down and a forum that some of us users really saw as one of the worst in the whole internet-world, with one or two powerusers and at the same time fragile-ego-trolls answering every criticism like yours above – as if they wanted to eat you over a fire 👿 )
I paid upgrades for, if i remember right, Orion5, maybe 6, then 7 and soon I am kindly asked to pay for Orion8. Adds to some 450-500 Euro for old time users of Orion who started with v3.
You simply cannot compare FL Studio too, if you are honest…

I am not saying you would have to be happy with everything Podium offers, for example I would long for just using each and every Nanokontrol or Kore2 as midi controller inside Podium, would make my day… But it isn’t possible to achieve what various of us wish for Frits. That’s how it is.

Alternative would be we all paid as much as for other hosts, so that Frits would be able – if he wanted to! – to license stuff or to add one or two men and women to creating Podium.

In fact there is stiff competition, and I think Frits does a highly remarkable job, being extremely userfriendly at the same time.

Just to add my experience, Kore 2 (which since 2.1 is able to work as a midi controller hardware too) is not recognized too here. Kore 2.1 supports MCU mode.

Kore itself (if you load vists into it, morph between sounds and all, so by the way doing many things the legendary zgrid once was meant to be – so it would be a perfect companion for podium!) works nice. You switch between kore2 mode and midi mode, and I would be happy to control volume, pan, solo mute record on/off and stuff with the kore 2 hardware. I followed the manuals, but the auto-assign doesn’t work here.
I have no clue if Kore 2 could be used in the future as well to work as a midi controller for, say, Nucleum and its parameters…

Kore 2.1 works, besides other configurations for ableton live and so on, in mackie control mode. (HUI is not supported, whatever HUI is 🙂 ).

Here is how other hosts do it:

a) In Reaper I manually assign “mackie control universal” as controller surface mode. You then choose between 5 automation modes, trim/read, touch, latch, write and another.

b) In Tracktion (well, it’s Mackie, they bought Tracktion a long time ago) it works by assigning kore midi in and kore midi out to mackie control mode manually. All works well then in Midi control mode too.
(Just for the record: There are other bugs, for example if you want to search sounds in Kore, you can’t (at least some users mention that too) – Tracktion can’t, it seems, handle that Kore needs the keyboard keys for itself, and always “wants” to open something instead, so the basic use of Kore is not really possible in Tracktion…at least as far as I understand it. Mainly i tested it to find out how other hosts do it, because I want to have it work in PODIUM^^)

c) PODIUM: In Podium we have the procedure described in the manual, the auto-detection.
But Kore 2.1 is not recognized here as a control surface. Like the zoom mentioned in another thread.
I seem to have done the necessary steps, activated kore midi in, clicked the auto-detect button and so on.

another maybe useful addition:
In Reaper, you can NOT switch the Mackie control surface option on AND set the midi in of Kore in midi devices (there is only one Kore midi in, and this has to be used by the control surface assignment, so if you additionally switch midi in the reaper midi-devices on, you get the obvious error message, midi not available.)

In Tracktion, I enable both midi ins of my soundcard (Edirol Ua25) AND Kore, but after assigning the control surface in MCU mode the midi automatically “disappears”. This is nice, as you don’t get the error message like in Reaper, and the right device is automatically assigned to your Kore as midi controller.

So the ability to manually assign the MCU mode instead of the auto-detect method would be much appreciated here. Or maybe I missed something and besides what the manual states there is anything else I had to do to help auto-detecting. Kore2 CAN work in other modes than MCU, maybe this is a problem for Podium??? I would be very happy to be able to use kore and Podium together, in fact it would be all I needed. Up to now I will from time to time try Podium again, to see if this and automation (with midi learn like in some other hosts) will work the way I would prefer it. Automation “by hand” or with the mouse is superb in Podium.

So, Frits, many words to say that surely the users who stick to Podium as their one and only host come first, but I hope at least a bit of what I describe makes sense for “auto-detecting” and possible solutions. Cheers!

I’m about to bug-hunt, as there is always a big possibility that I missed something, of course, as I never used other automation as “by hand and mouse” before 😀

I just have to add a small story to this highly justified praisal. Today was a an especially sad day for my girlfriend. So to try to cheer her up a bit I just fired up some synths and noodled away. Whereas she wasn’t highly convinced 😆 from some NI-synth stuff (self made presets) I had made, she listened to Nucleum, and the hauntingly beautiful pad “moon orbit” and cheered up a bit and told me to go on. I just played some chords, that was all, the rest was the movement inside this nucleum patch. It’s in the factory folder, and easy as it might be, this sounds like a world class synth. She told me to say thanks here 🙂 . Simply haunting, some sounds of this synth.