InfinitoarThat’s what I was thinking overall with my previous rant.[if you want to call it such]
There are people out there who want to help you Zynewave, even if you say: “No, I don’t want to give the source code to you if your just going to make a DAW of your own and use my hardwork as a “boost”.
I believed different.
I believed that there are people who are willing to help lighten the load on you by helping you with the program. Heck, even helping you without cost because it’s a good program, just too many requests and your just “one man”. Maybe help you make a update or 2 in their spare time. LIGHTEN the load, not steal from you and say they made Podium and all this other crazy stuff.
But it’s apparent that you don’t want “anyone’s help” Zynewave. Your open to suggestions but that’s it. Until the day you die your source code for Podium will remain a mystery to everyone else,[unless someone hacks it, who is good at cracking software which I don’t condone, but it’s bound to happen…]but you, yourself.
So, now I understand. Suggestions is about as far as we can go with the development of Podium. He doesn’t want any coding help, nor does he want to share his “20 years of work” with someone he may or may not can trust.
So sadly let’s just do what he “requests”, and that’s it. No dev help[at all], just open suggestions, tips, bug reports, and all that jazz.
And here I thought he may like the idea of someone wanting to help him “development wise”. Even if by chance this person wants to help him for “free”.
InfinitoarThat would be nice. I’ve done the same mistakes from time and time again. But I’m so used to it when I use Podium.
Meh. But it would be a nice feature for those not used to it, but make a “checkbox” option in preferences or something. I mean once “Shift” was changed to “Alt” for horizontal scrolling and stuff it kind of messed me up a bit.
Just my thoughts.
InfinitoarAs I thought more defensive people for Podium.
I said what was on my mind with no intention of “sugar coating it”. That’s my way of constructive criticism. You guys[and girls? May never know who’s on here]may put smiley faces and all that jazz but I don’t really have time for that.
But to be clear, whatever you “think” I’m doing probably isn’t a good thing because if you don’t know the person, really shouldn’t “assume” how they feel, or what they’re thinking.
As I said Podium is a good program but it isn’t good for “my” audio production. And if he chooses to lock the feature I would need, and mostly if everyone would need, then it’s Frits’ problem, not mine. It was only a question of why would he do that since tech is upgrading faster and faster by the year.
As an idea maybe he should release a really good feature then unlock multiprocessing. Or make a really good feature and keep it locked. It’s his decision.
I learned on the internet, words “have no audio form”. So assuming I’m “taking it personally” really doesn’t justify anyone’s claim. I don’t use emotes here or overly excessive “exclamation” points, so of course it would “sound” like I’m being rude, but to each his/her own.
It is true that in one perspective I have taken what Podium can’t do for me to heart, because I wanted to produce my 1st “freeware” album in Podium, but when I run into trouble with the program, it irritates the heck out of me. Because then I have to stop what I’m doing[which is the music I love to make], come here, make some detailed comment, and “wait” for a response that will help my issue. And that’s a 50/50 thing. I don’t have time for that. Maybe you all do but I don’t.
And when I called Frits stubborn, if he IS, then I understand because on most things I do in my time[or life] I’m stubborn on also because I trust myself more than I trust others. But I don’t really like talking about my “life” on the internet, tends to be put from one place to another, and then “modified” and maybe even stuck on Wikipedia. Yay Wikipedia. But overall that’s why I was wondering if he was “stubborn” on his project or development for Podium. Maybe he had a past experience where he HAD someone on it and they didn’t live up to their promise, I don’t know, I really don’t care, because it’s HIS personal life. If he feels comfortable to type it out, then it’s entirely up to him.
I took my time from mixing to do what I always do when I’m having a issue with Podium, stop my music production, come here, and type my butt off, and see if any “good responses come back”. 80-90% are defensive ones so, yeah, I say what’s on my mind, back. Like I said, I don’t sugar coat anything, and I don’t respond back the way I want to if I believe no one has responded to me “negatively”. Maybe you all have had issues of negative people on this forum before I got here but whatever. Another reason I should have trusted my gut feeling and stay away from forums. Lots of defensive, angry people, not a lot of actual people with a “stay on topic” attitude. But, whatever.
To end all of this:
I will send Frits a private message either on here or on his YouTube account. Because I believe I will be satisfied from an answer from him, himself.
And again I will check to see if any new features or updates have been added to Podium in general. Because the way I see it, which I know most will type a response to this is this:
Why pay 50$ for half a program when I can spend 50 more and get a full program. [Yes, Reaper isn’t my last stop to DAW’s. Fruity Loops is.]And no one “but” Frits can patch/update/add features to Podium, so $50, new features when he “has time” to put them in, and repeatedly going back to the forum “pausing” music production and then waiting for a response to help with the problem? Then the features in Podium most if not all I don’t even use.[Here’s something you could laugh at, I don’t know what the heck “ReWire is” but I’ve had no reason to use it]No thank you. “To me” it isn’t worth $50. Maybe when more updates/stability issues/smoother running/more features/etc has been implemented, it would be worth $50 if not more.
InfinitoarWho said I was arguing?
I was stating how I felt about the development of Podium.
Yes it may make me sound like a asshole comparing it to another DAW, but I did. Get over it. People compare things all the time.
And stay on the subject. I’m not talking about who’s rich and who isn’t I’m talking about why isn’t Frits getting more people on the project he can trust to help the steady flow of Podium. What, he doesn’t trust ANYONE? Or does he want to be stubborn and go it alone?
I don’t use Cubase or whatever, I used Podium and Reaper. And I don’t know the history of the Reaper developer and neither do you or anyone else so whatever you read stop believing it as if your reading a bible.[Where did you get your info from, Wikipedia? LMAO! The place where ANYONE can modify “facts” about a person? The “internet”? Another place people can MODIFY facts about someone? Talk to him 1st, and ask him about his life before making assumptions.] You don’t know the guy nor his life and assuming he’s rich from “what you heard” doesn’t help your comment one bit. Because it has nothing to do with this overall topic.
And I didn’t “call him a lair” I ASKED if he was lying(or true to his words) on his mainpage. There’s a difference but I’m sure the hardcore Podium users don’t know that. Just as soon as someone has a opposing opinion, here come the attack dogs of Zynewave Podium to tear someone a new one and make them feel unintelligent. Yay for you all. You make any new user with an opposing opinion feel right at home.
And yes I did find something else to make music with. And I enjoy it. I don’t care how everyone else is having problems with it I’m not.[because that’s what matters to me and my development of MY music] It’s not slowing my process of music creation, it’s benefiting it. Greatly.
I want Podium to do the same as far as development, but you all over-read that message. Why don’t you grab a gun, find me, put it to my head and say: “If you don’t agree Podium is a great program, I’ll blow your fu***** brains out.”
And I can tell who pays for which program more. That’s like being dull minded and saying: I wonder what media players are bought more, “iPod’s or Zune’s?” If you don’t know please exit the rock your living under and join modern day society.
But as usual I can already feel the glaring eyes at the screens of your PC’s. So I’ll say this and maybe you all will understand–
-Frits why don’t you have more people on the development of Podium?
-Frits why did you lock multiprocessing for the free version?(most people’s PC’s have more than one core now, even mobile devices are getting to that point)
-Frits do you think having a small team you can trust will help you development go a “bit” faster? Do you have anyone you can trust?
-Frits I’m using Reaper now due to some problems in Podium that are hindering my workflow and I can only hope you can add more features to Podium so I can start reusing the program, because it is a great program to use but it’s a lot features that are missing that I cannot wait for.
-Frits I hope you understand but for now I cannot use you program until a later date.”
But knowing you “attack dogs” trained to snuff out any immediate text like danger to Podium go ahead, twist my words, add some things that have nothing to do with my concerns, add meanings to what I said, that I didn’t type, and more and more gibberish and “heads stuck in the dirt” like comments.
It’s a great program.
But he needs to do some things to make this thing worth mentioning. Otherwise it’ll just be some “baby step” program people will use then go to the other DAW spend a bit more and get a lot more features than Podium.
Or I could be a real asshole and grab the full version demo and crack it.
Or
I could be a honest, caring individual and say what I don’t like and see what is done to correct it.
I mean I’ve been using Reaper for a while now, and it shows some concerning care that I decided to come back and try to lay a comment to my concerns of Podium development. Because I WANT Podium to be a epicly used program. I don’t want to suggest it to someone or some artists I know they use it and most if not ALL of them get pissed off because it doesn’t do what they are used to.[Stability, features, easy on the CPU, etc]
And for those thinking: Hey man that “economy” excuse is getting old, –do this then comment-
Come to the U.S.[if you don’t live in the U.S.]
Live in a shit state AND city
“Try” to get a decent job
“Survive” as best you can with the little money you make. Oh. And try to use freeware to make your dreams come true as best as possible.
Do it for 2 years(and more)
Have a job lay you off with no pay.(for a week almost)
“Survive”
Try to actually find a program that won’t “fu**” you over once you “manage” to scrape together some money.[Like MAGIX already did so I don’t trust them at all anymore]
Lose that money to extra bills.
Rinse and repeat. (until hopefully you trying so hard to find something better than decent pays off. Which hasn’t happened “yet”)
Now comment. (but watch somehow someone says something like: I’ve had it hard, blah blah blah isn’t reason for you to diss Frits or Podium blah blah you can still buy Podium……yeah I’m not going into pure details of my life but money isn’t easy with a crap economy, but what do you all care right? I’m “offending” Podium! Yay!(sarcasm)
Anyway after this say what you want, I’m getting back to my album. Much to do, very little time. Good luck Frits and I hope you at least understand. I don’t care what your “attack dogs” say. I will check back on Podium to see what’s been added or not. I won’t forget the program that started me out.
And I am truly grateful.
Believe me, or not.
InfinitoarLiquid
Where in the heck did I mention Reaper was free?
And “no” I didn’t edit anything out. So where did I say Reaper was “free”?
And “emotions” are what makes us human, otherwise we’d live in a society where emotionless humans just do things like “robots” and then “die”. I don’t know where THAT came from but here’s a saying for you:
-The definition of “insanity” is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results”.-Albert Einstein
Insanity=using a crippled Podium Free
My end result=finding a alternative until Podium shows “physical” promise.
And yes Reaper isn’t free, but I didn’t mention it WAS. I said you can keep clicking “Still Evaluating” and the devs know people do that. No matter how you put it, it’s NOT stealing. I gave you the perfect definition of “stealing” and “clicking” “still evaluating” isn’t stealing, devs, know, but don’t do anything about it. As I said they could easily patch it but they obviously CHOSE NOT to. People have ADMITTED doing that on the REAPER forums and I’m sure the devs have read it and discovered it but did they do anything? No.
Maybe you don’t get what I mean, maybe your believing I’m advertising for REAPER but the fact remains on Podium whether you want to admit it or not:
Podium being a “one man show” isn’t helping Frits, it’s slowly destroying his development.
Before you defend Podium again blindly do this:
How many people pay for REAPER[or any other DAW] vs. people paying for Podium. And this is the fact that Podium has a crippled free version[with not a lot of features people need/want] and Reaper having the UNPATCHED feature of using the FULL DAW after 30 days.
[and I have yet to see legal action taken by Cockos for a user using it beyond 30days, because it’s not the users fault it’s the devs fault, a FAULT the devs aren’t going to fix because they KNOW what they are doing.]
Just try it
and see what results you get.
InfinitoarYou could be using Reaper, but if you use it more than 30 days you would be ‘stealing’ the software. Reaper isn’t free, it costs $60.
Yet, the devs know people do that and have yet to FIX it. They CAN fix it and make it to where the program will “lock itself” after 30 days but they believe they shouldn’t “force” anyone to buy the full product.
If you released a EP for free would you FORCE people to BUY your full album? Or give them the option to buy your album?
And it’s not “stealing”. Stealing is “taking without payment|taking without permission” or “cracking” the software unlocking a feature that was not intended for [demo of]the program. [Like cracking and O.S. for full features or cracking a full studio version of FL Studio]What users have done with Reaper is finding a “cheap” way not to pay for the full program.[at that time] There’s a big difference between “stealing” and “being cheap”. Or even exploiting a weakness that even “developers” know about. They even say on the website that they wish not to give people a “crippled program”, and also not to “force or “nag” people about buying the full license.[Which is $40 for a discounted and 150$ for the full] And as I mentioned above I’m pretty sure they know about people still clicking “Still Evaluating”. And if it was a big issue I’m sure in the most recent update they would have fixed it, but they didn’t. Why? Because people eventually feel guilty and buy the full program anyway. Or just stop using it. But I’m sure if they cared immensely about people clicking that “Still Evaluating” it would be patched and after 30 days the program would lock itself. If the demo version of Podium can do it it, I’m sure the REAPER “team” can make a quick patch to implement it also.
Quote:
-Not a detailed CPU meter of what is running and taking the most CPU and what’s not.I don’t miss that, i focus on make music and I know my plugins, so I guess what’s the problem and how could I solve it. Try bouncing whitin range, maybe that helps
Who honestly has the time to “get to know their plugins”? Besides the facts of fully knowing what it’s capable of “sound wise”. You make it sound like I’m marrying the plugins, not using it for it’s featured sound.
Thanks for the reply but my mind is still set on what i believe could be done for Podium to at least have more stability or more people into the program. And one big thing is, in this day and age[and economy which is still in hell] everyone who wants free stuff wants the best.[or nearly the best]. And for those PAYING for products[no matter what it is]they want a “finished” or at least a close to finalized product. I see Podium still in it’s beta phases[not even 20% finished] and not moving a inch forward but centimeters forward. Maybe even less than that. You alone Liquid will not make the production of Podium faster, and I’m sure Frits knows some individuals that would help him in his project, but- maybe most of them want some “big cut” for helping him. [free help is hard to find or even “discounted” help]
But he has the full programming of Podium. He’s not released a SDK or Open Source program so other devs can see what they could do to better the program, he’s keeping it to himself. Which as I said is fine, but it’s ALSO “hurting” his development for Podium.
But he may do as he wishes. It is his program, his brainchild. But while he’s “going solo” other companies may get tips from his program and implement them in their program, call it something else, and have others work or add more amazing user requested features as well.
Balanced team efforts make good products of society.
Doing things solo doesn’t get you very far in whatever you wish to push out there in the open world.
I know. I’ve seen people try and it hurt them more than it hurt their customers. Hell, I was going to produce my own album, but I found out it’s hard doing everything on your own.[such as mastering, etc, etc] Best trust in someone or “others” to help you do things easier and faster. Or even give you some knowledge on what to do as far as a “pipeline” of what you want out there goes.
But it’s up to Zynewave to do what he thinks is necessary. But I’m not waiting in his final decisions/thoughts. I’ll make my own.[as far as what programs I will use to get MY dreams out there.]
InfinitoarIn ASIO it says: higher=less lag, less glitch.
In other words less broken audio. Or crackling audio. If you lower it the more worse your audio gets.
InfinitoarNever use those on board drivers. I realized myself when starting out those things are terrible with “any” DAW. Use ASIO4ALL and go into Podium’s Audio Preferences and choose ASIO4ALL for your sound driver. When in use if no audio is coming out play with the settings to finally figure out what is not audio’ing out. Also turn the samples in ASIO as HIGH AS YOU CAN GO.[For example mine is set at 2048 but I believe with a better soundcard or system you CAN go higher in the sample rate] 😆 It should solve that problem for audio.
Also another tip in ASIO: NEVER CHECKBOX “Always resample 41.k to 48k. It will mess up your projects when you render things. Especially if your project is of a different sample rate.
Infinitoar(if you get rich & famous, remember me! )
I won’t. I’d be like: Who is this Liquid guy? And of course I would then scream out spaztically- SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE! 😆 But yeah I’d remember you. 😛
Ah I see. Couldn’t you have bounced those 4 VSTs into one bounce, rather than 4? Of course, less VSTs is better too!
I’d rather bounce one VST that sounds like 4. And hell yes, less tracks is better hehe… 😀
Your 160gb drive is highly unlikely going to reach that rating, but I presume you mean it’s SATA, and perhaps your current system only supports PATA, or IDE?
Yes sadly this system only supports PATA and IDE. It has 2 SATA ports on the motherboard but I tried them and Windows XP doesn’t recognize them but states there is a storage drive present. Of course I did my research and SATA was mostly during the era of Vista. I did however somehow had XP recognize the SATA drive when I was building my studio PC but maybe because the SATA drive has 3Gb/s connection vs on this Compaq motherboard which I believe is a incompatible Gb/s format.[or lower format]
Although I really wish I had a extra XP serial key. 🙁 I really want my studio PC up and running…but the 30day thing just worries me…oh well hopefully with this upcoming job I’m getting I can just buy a new Windows XP and finally finish my setup.
InfinitoarDruid,
I have a 80GB HDD in a premade PC. COMPAQ Presario SR1610NX. As of right now I have Windows XP SP3 and 20 measly GB left. I have a 160GB HDD but it has a 3Gb/s and if I did my research right, that format is NOT comaptible with my O.S. or system.
I recently acquired all of the parts for my studio PC build but sadly my older brother forgot to mention that his copy of Windows Vista Ultimate is in use so the product key I cannot use. Nor will I get a cracked copy of a Windows O.S. either. (and please don’t start some topic saying Vista sucks, we all know it does and I just want a working Windows PC and can do music better on…)
For your concern about size that explains one with the HDD space I have. (sorry I’m not that fortunate to go out and buy a O.S. HDD and a storage one right now) My current(sad) setup is the Compaq with one HDD drive and the only outside storage I have is blank DVD’s and 2 SD cards.(one 2GB and one is 1GB)
Ok to this last point:
String Theory
String Theory
Rez 2.0
Rogue= one unique sound
Native Instruments “Kore Player” with one preset tweaked= 4 freeware plugins in one.
Do you understand now?
It saves me space and less rendering and less HDD space being taken up. Plus it give me more of a unique sound than 4 freeware plugins stacked up.
At least that’s what I’ve discovered for my style of mixing. And even if I was fortunate enough to have a somewhat decked out PC, I would still want to save space.
Hope that clears things up again for you. Now I have to get back to my remix.
InfinitoarThanks thcilnnahoj and everyone who tried.
thcilnnahoj’s video and explaination was on the mark and fixed my problem. Now all of my tracks can have new bounce files. Thanks everyone and I will be proud to represent Podium in this remix competition. 🙂
Time to show the world what I can do. After I master this track. Ugh I hate mastering. 😆
Oh and the reason I deleted the old files thcilnnahoj is because they took up a lot of HDD space and now I use Native Instruments. Which to me is like 4 freeware plugins in one. I still have some of the unique freeware plugins but I’m Native Instruments driven now.
Thanks again! 🙂 (I had hoped someone knew because I tried REAPER and that program is just….fucked up. The controls are light years away from “user friendly”. Podium I love and using Reaper pissed me off lol! I was just using Reaper to jot down some ideas and see how they sound for the remix. )
InfinitoarFor those that are confused I will clarify:
Make a project. (any will do)
Make some random notes or whatever.
Bounce the track.
Save and close Podium
Now go into your “Zynewave folder” where the .wavs are “saved”
Whatever you named the arrangement folder, delete this folder.(or in my case delete all of the files in the folder.)
Go BACK to the arrangement
Unbounce the now “flat bounced” track and change the notes within the track.(doesn’t matter how)
Re-bounce the track.
Try to save the new bounce(and newly customized) track
Podium will say “track 1 bounce could not be saved”
Because you have deleted the tracks or information bound to the track.
I was unaware of this horrid feature and now I cannot save my bounce files at all because I have deleted my old bounce files. Thinking Podium would just save new bounce files, it did NOT. The old .wav files took up a lot of GB and I found new snyths and sounds to incorporate into my remix so I deleted my old bounce files. The feature only prolongs the mixing time I have to spend in each project IF I deleted my old bounce files.(and trust me since I’ve discovered a better way to make music I’ve deleted all my old .wav content so I’m literally in a big mess here+ the Zynewave folder in “My Documents took up already 8+GB of space from .wavs ALONE) Which means I have tweaked the new tracks but since I have deleted old data that was bound to their respective projects I cannot save the new bounce (tweaked) files.(because the old ones have been deleted)
I hope that clears up any confusion. But it’s still won’t help me in (now) 8 days. 🙁
InfinitoarLMFAO@Leven
A “A heap of girls may be competing for your attention.”
Ah…that comes with good music, and being a gender. If a man makes a good song women want to “know him better”. If a woman makes a good song men want to know “her better”.[and personally too… 😛 😆 8) ]
InfinitoarDude. Amazing is all I can say. I’m following ya on SoundCloud. I gave my input on the song. Check out my one demo if you like. = )
InfinitoarI’ll be the silly one and say:
Happy 20+11=2011! 😆 🙄 😉