KlempererKlempererAs I had forgotten about how to do it too now, and a friend who uses another host at home found saving presets in Podium rather unintuitive (maybe due to my forgetting and us searching for a “save” button…) I would suggest a minimal addition to the wiki.
Parameter editing is deactivated when the plugin is used in other hosts, but you can export presets created in Podium to .fxp and .fxb files. You create new program or bank library presets using the Preset panel menu or by pressing ctrl+P. Export presets by SCROLLING ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE LIST WITH THE PRESETS. FIND YOUR NEWLY CREATED PRESET AND THEN right-click the preset object and choose Properties on the context menu. In the Library Preset Properties dialog, click Export… to bring up a window where you can specify the name and the location of the file.
Maybe this sounds stupid, but for newbies the small preset-library-list is nothing users of other hosts are common with, and so today I needed 15 minutes and made various mistakes (for example stored my new preset 3 times in the library bank and so on, dough) until I managed to get this really easy thing done.
Maybe a “save” button would be nice in the future, as there already is a LOAD button? Or is the remaining space too small in your opinion?
Well at least I found the save-option again, so all’s well 🙂
KlempererKlempererKlempererKlemperer@Conquistador wrote:
Sadly it is a major issue for me. The more projects you start, the work you give yourself if you change your VST folder layouts, plugins or Audio hardware. It is IMO clearly an unforseen problem for Frits and I would not classify it as a bug (not saying you or anyone else thinks it is) but it is most certainly a design aspect of Podium that is a BIG problem right now for me.
It has been particularly frustrating because I love the direction that everything else is going in. Arrrrrrrrggghghghghh 😕 😡
I must have automapping of missing VST’s and new hardware in place first. There is no point in me hassling Frits for the feature because of my own deadlines (that would be silly) but…I must see automapping (standard eveywhere else) in Podium before returning to a large number of Podium projects.
By that time it will be a few clicks probably or less to adress those issues. I can wait until post 2.0. To be fair to Frits IMO he would have already adressed this earlier if he knew how much a problem it would turn out to be. 🙁
Very understandable!
I don’t force anyone too to do this or that :). Even more than you because I am no “in depth user” up to now, for this Podium is too different from the hosts I used before.
I prefer own solutions, and my solution now was to delete Podium from the laptop (which is rarely used for music, just if I’m away for weeks or so).
And for trying new plugs on my main PC I use another host now and keep Podium with the “standard stuff” unchanged. Still, it is a problem, and I fully agree to you here.
I understand that automapping is the first thing people would wish in the future, and so would I.
As usual a workaround, one I not use now, is (I repeat myself here a bit 😀 ) to load EnergyXT1.4 as a vst or vsti into Podium. EXT has its own vst-paths, and is always up to date with them, so owners or demoists of EXT can easily test or use new plugs inside Podium *that* way. By the way, I remember you own EXT1 too – would that be a workaround for you, to well, put all the new ones you need into XT like in a wrapper-thing and mangle it from there?
This workaround, by the way, is something a lot of users did since months out of a different reason, whichever host they use – just to keep the vst-folders uncluttered. They load EXT with a different paths for all those new nice things and test them. You can setup more than 2 paths there if you want, calling one “demos” or whatever.
I understand that Podium is made with different thoughts than some other hosts, and often this is a good thing. Maybe in these 2 points it is no good thing, so it might be changed whenever Frits will find the time! We’ll see. For me working at the laptop it was a major thing too (soundcard AND automapping), so well, no big thing to wait until it is better, and use another host.
KlempererThat’s a very interesting thread, I just found it. As a beginner many weeks ago I didn’t ask (because I thought I’d find out myself like with many other things) as my laptop has a Edirol-UA25 card and the crappy inbuilt-soundcard, and I ran into the same problems. Although – like many amongst us – I am constantly trying out good freeware and some demos, so all of these things would be VERY important for me too.
KlempererI run Podium at home on a not too big screen with 1024*768, and if not at home on a very old 15” laptop with the same 1024*768. Well, that has not much to say, but I’m not sure what the majority here uses.
Klempererdue to an ongoing problem of my provider I couldn’t connect to the internet and found this huge update late, but here it is. (and whereas AOL let the 1.93 update-notification go through, was the first time I got one, now it is not even in the spam folder again, well, however).
I really like the adding of new skinds, and even if piano-roll-editing is a bit difficult, the new one looks very very nice :). Just printed out conquistador’s very much (even for newer users like me) appreciated comments, and will look into the new things myself. Thanks!
KlempererJust had a very short look (strangely enough my internet connection always crashes these days). Looks nice! But too expensive. I once saw an even more expensive thing, was it called LEMUR or so? Yes, a controller for very rich people, by Jazzmutant…
As soon as my internet-connection allows me I’ll look into the video you linked to, thanks!
KlempererI was in a slightly different situation than you, SEAS. I own EnergyXT (and contributed a bit as a user to EnergyXT1, a lovely program, but with a slightly chaotic marketing and help for newbies) besides other hosts.
some info about XT2 you might already know:
As EnergyXT2 came out (the problem for Jorgen Aase was that a big hype was over there in our forum, I was just the same as everybody else and praised XT2 to no end even as it was delayed, then delayed, and again delayed due to quite normal problems for a developer working on a complete new host in a new coding language) It had simply toooooo many bugs to be able to work in it. It was released – just my opinion – months too early, and I even suggested (following guitarzan who had had the idea) that Jorgen would decide to stop releasing it, ironing out the far too many bugs, and re-release it whenever he wished. Don’t forget, EXT1 users got EXT2 completely for free! So we could have used 1.41, the current older version, and nobody had had any reason to complain.
So EnergyXT2 was released as “ready” on June 15, and the next month got him a mighty disappointment from even the most loyal users (I can see clearly here why Frits decided not to setup a forum for Podium over at KVR, but then Frits wouldn’t run into those problems, because all new released versions are simply stable, just like the best hosts are stable, that is, as far as this is possible with our thousands of different setups). I had real problems with the CPU-hit for audio tracks, it simply was even worse than EXT1.4, and that wasn’t the strongest point of EXT1. A not too small number of my VSTis didn’t work great in EXT2, and so on.
So I started to look around, as the slightly chaotic (and at the same time charming) EXT1-information made it necessary that without constantly reading the KVR-EnergyXT-forum you could be quite at a loss with XT. Most valuable users like DarkStar, Jens (who had posted here too in eraly times), or at the beginning Nicfit and now Soma do their best to help.
After 4 weeks of trying out I bought Podium and Reaper. It was my birthday, if I had had to decide for just one I would have bought Podium and away you go, but Reaper is a really good host too.
There are a few rather private reasons why I use Reaper too, so have 2 hosts now 🙂 . I have a collection of field-recordings (of dubious quality, but for me it’s quite okay). I saved them in audio monkey (ape) format, and now Reaper can load those ape-files without me having to convert them before (which wouldn’t be a tough thing at all, I know). And besides some other things (I still learn the 2 different programs, mind!) sometimes it is an inspiration having 2 hosts.
Podium is my main host now. After a nice conversation with Koolkeys I had decided for Podium. I like the automation a LOT, would wish some small features like supporting sending midi from one to another VSTi and more, but all of this will come, or importing more than just the 1st part of a midi file in case you want to import one.
EnergyXT was unbelievably cheap as I bought it (in fact I got even that for free as I had used Massiva before, the then stopped first host Jorgen Aase had released, and all Massiva-users even got EnergyXT1 AND 2 for free!!).
I just can recommend it to anyone to use it inside Podium. You can load a vst-instrument and a vst-effects-version of EXT (1 and 2, I use 1 still at the moment) into any host, and the “main window” of EnergyXT is quite a workbench, a thing to experiment, to chain different VSTis and audio parts and midi parts and effects and combine them and so on…
In EXT1-times I got the impression nearly *all* users out there had bought a EXT-license (39Euro at that time), so all who own it can easily use it as an addition in Podium now.
The Reaper- fanbase is huge, as you can see if you go to the Reaper-forum, and I agree, this is well deserved as is the praise Frits, who seems to prefer it more silently 🙂 , gets. I know quite a few users who love one of those (let’s call it: independent in a way) hosts, and bash others. It used to turn into real ugly fights over at KVR. There is no reason for that, and it turned rather silly often.
I think Jorgen will come to his feet again in the future, but it must be hard to see how the huge admiration (he himself is not really innocent here as he talked about EXT2 in early not-even-beta-versions as if it would be, well, better than it is now 🙁 ) turned as the delayed EXT2 came out finally.
Podium is MUCH better for your CPU when it comes to audio, and stability is quite important too. EnergyXT2 is more stable now, but the CPU-hit if you use many audio-tracks is still annoying. I really wish he’ll get that sorted, but neither EXT1 nor 2 were good concerning this feature up to now.
Personally I don’t see the 3 “independent” hosts not as in fight with each other, as I own all 3 😀 . It’s just that I like Podium the best now, and all new releases do – like with Reaper – make real sense, and it already is a great program. I never thought looks were important, and I’m not sure if it is right to name it “looks”, but in Reaper and Podium I make songs just in the speed I want, whereas in EnergyXT2 I did more read in the forums about bugs, and searched this and that feature of XT1 to find out after many readings that it wasn’t implemented right now. I wish all 3 and Tracktion too success!
Klempereryou’re right 🙂 . Would be a nice idea in the future.
Klemperer…and for people who cannot buy Computermusic or aren’t subscribed to it there is a nice freebie over at KVR (but mind, download is 447MB!) The Nebula HS Reverb (with the Nebula 3 engine it seems). you can find it HERE
Klemperer@francois wrote:
Hi Guy , if you like to hear what i am doing with podium , here is the link:http://www.esnips.com/web/fbmusic.
feedbacks are greatly appreciated 😉
I was constantly knocked out of the internet lately, especially on weekends, but I’ll surely listen to this soon 🙂
Klempererindeed, a nice idea. Well we at least had quite a few songs made by you, but I am a bit behind, as you know 😆 . But here is a thread where Podium-users posted their links – just as I started to download my internet-provider had some problems, so I’ll start again after that will be sorted out.